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Old 05-23-2019, 10:41 AM
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I can't really understand him but either way, I don't want to see him on TV being associated with the Sox after he quit on the team. The way he kept putting Dunn out there when he was having one of the worst seasons in baseball history to spite KW was low
If Ozzie Guillen was low for putting Adam Dunn out there every day, then what does that make Rick Renteria? He keeps putting an equally useless Yonder Alonso out there every day.
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Old 05-23-2019, 10:54 AM
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If Ozzie Guillen was low for putting Adam Dunn out there every day, then what does that make Rick Renteria? He keeps putting an equally useless Yonder Alonso out there every day.
Eh I'm ok with it in May, not after 120 games though. And I think Renteria is doing it because he's clueless, not because he's trying to spite anybody for picking up Alonso
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:09 AM
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My problem with Ozzie is that he speaks mainly in baseball clichťs. He tells you what happened, and he tells you whether itís good or bad.

On the other hand, Frank and Pods tell you intricate details explaining why the good or bad thing happened. They break down tape and analyze mechanics. They explain possible thought processes and game plans, using their experiences for reference.
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:14 AM
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Eh I'm ok with it in May, not after 120 games though. And I think Renteria is doing it because he's clueless, not because he's trying to spite anybody for picking up Alonso
Clueless is definitely a valid answer.
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:24 AM
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Clueless is definitely a valid answer.
Hopeful is another.
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Old 05-23-2019, 12:08 PM
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Hopeful is another.
Itís not early anymore. Hope should be out the window by now. Every plate appearance Alonso takes is just a waste of time. Those plate appearances should be used by someone who actually has a chance to contribute to the future of this team.

Iím with Frater. Get Zack Collins up here once the Super Two deadline passes.
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Old 05-23-2019, 12:12 PM
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Itís not early anymore. Hope should be out the window by now. Every plate appearance Alonso takes is just a waste of time. Those plate appearances should be used by someone who actually has a chance to contribute to the future of this team.

Iím with Frater. Get Zack Collins up here once the Super Two deadline passes.
I have no problem with that, but Alonzo is currently dead last in the majors for BABIP for 1B at .195. If he simply progresses to .250 in that category he will see a significant increase in production.
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Old 05-23-2019, 12:48 PM
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I have no problem with that, but Alonzo is currently dead last in the majors for BABIP for 1B at .195. If he simply progresses to .250 in that category he will see a significant increase in production.
Right. For comparison's sake, Dunn's BABIP in that godawful 2011 season was .240.
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Old 05-23-2019, 02:21 PM
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Right. For comparison's sake, Dunn's BABIP in that godawful 2011 season was .240.
Dunn also had 7 consecutive seasons with at least 38 home runs and at least a .490 slugging percentage. Alonso has eclipsed 20 home runs only twice, and he has slugged higher than .421 only once.

At least the hope in a turnaround from Dunn was based on an extensive track record of past performance. Besides, even if Alonso rebounds all the way back to his peak output, he still is not good enough to hit cleanup.
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Dunn also had 7 consecutive seasons with at least 38 home runs and at least a .490 slugging percentage. Alonso has eclipsed 20 home runs only twice, and he has slugged higher than .421 only once.

At least the hope in a turnaround from Dunn was based on an extensive track record of past performance. Besides, even if Alonso rebounds all the way back to his peak output, he still is not good enough to hit cleanup.
Yes, but he's MACHADO'S BROTHER-IN-LAW!
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Old 05-23-2019, 08:24 PM
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I have no problem with that, but Alonzo is currently dead last in the majors for BABIP for 1B at .195. If he simply progresses to .250 in that category he will see a significant increase in production.
Isn’t the low BABIP because he always hits into the shift? I don’t see him suddenly learning to go to the opposite field.
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Old 05-23-2019, 08:38 PM
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Isnít the low BABIP because he always hits into the shift? I donít see him suddenly learning to go to the opposite field.
He's actually had a couple of nice opposite field hits this season with some success, but lots of guys hit into the shift regularly no one else has a BABIP lower though among 1B in all of MLB.
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Old 05-23-2019, 10:26 PM
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Way too difficult for me to understand what he is saying. I have to turn off the postgame if he is the only analyst.
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Old 05-24-2019, 06:02 AM
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Iím with Frater. Get Zack Collins up here once the Super Two deadline passes.
Itís better for Collins, since he can learn from McCann and he can start working on adjusting to MLB pitching.

Itís better for Zavala, because he can catch almost every day at Charlotte and hopefully be able to step into the Castillo role next year.

Itís better for the Sox both in the future for the developmental reasons listed above, AND in the present because even if Collins only hits .180ish like Alonso, heíll walk just as much or more, and heíll hit more homers.
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