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Old 10-17-2017, 12:53 PM
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You build a team by getting superstars and building a team around them.

Or...

You build a team by bringing up a bunch of young talented players from your own system and then fill what holes may exist by signing free agents to fill them.

The White Sox plan is the latter. And it is too early to know what holes might exist so it is too early to be signing long term free agents.

Let's talk again next year and/or the year after.

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Old 10-17-2017, 12:55 PM
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I say no, Harper would not want an organization like the White Sox.

The real question is simply, will the White Sox go out and sign any top tier, high priced free agent or will they simply go with the younger inexpensive players.

They will make a big boatload of money this year, what with the lower salaries, other than Shields and Abreu.
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Old 10-17-2017, 01:26 PM
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I think the money should be spent on a position of need. That position is going to be third base, not outfield.
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Old 10-17-2017, 01:42 PM
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The Cubs' rebuild neglected pitching. That is why Lester and Lackey rode into town.
Right but that showed they were willing to spend a lot of money to address a position of need. They also rode into town and took the Cubs to three consecutive playoff appearances and a World Series title. I'd be thrilled if the Sox rebuild would work so well.
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Old 10-17-2017, 01:50 PM
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Would I love to see it? Yes. Especially if the rebuild was on track in 2019. Besides getting one of the top 10 players in MLB in his prime, you would immediately have a new face of the franchise. A dynamic player who could sell season ticket packages by himself and put the White Sox on the map nationally. Who wouldn't smile at the thought of Moncada, Abreu, Harper, and Eloy batting in the middle of a revamped Sox lineup?

It likely to happen? No. Jerry Reinsdorf has only taken the best free agent available one time during his ownership tenure and that was Albert Belle. He did that primarily to prove a point to owners that went against him after the '94 labor dispute. It's also very unlikely that anyone will be able to outbid the Yankees for Bryce Harper. Also, as others pointed out, the outfield might not necessarily be the best position for the Sox to splurge when a Manny Macado or Nolan Arenado might be the better fit.
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Old 10-17-2017, 02:14 PM
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I imagine the team signing Harper will have to pay a marketing/future potential (as in potential best player in baseball) premium which adds some additional risk. Hard to see that making sense for the Sox unless they are somehow very confident in knowing what they have/need after only one more year.
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Old 10-17-2017, 03:16 PM
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Its way too early to know which of these blue chip prospects are gonna work out, so there's no way to know what types of free agents we should pursue.
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Old 10-17-2017, 03:21 PM
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Its way too early to know which of these blue chip prospects are gonna work out, so there's no way to know what types of free agents we should pursue.
Yup and its crazy to say the Sox dont need a superstar outfielder based on guys that have never played in a MLB game.
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Old 10-17-2017, 03:26 PM
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Its way too early to know which of these blue chip prospects are gonna work out, so there's no way to know what types of free agents we should pursue.
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Yup and its crazy to say the Sox dont need a superstar outfielder based on guys that have never played in a MLB game.
Yes and yes.
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Old 10-17-2017, 04:07 PM
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So I am looking at stats...

Harper of course is a superb young ball player. He's been in the league 6 years and yet is only 24. We can expect that we have yet to see the best of him.

However...

In Harper's 6 years he has hit 25 or more HR's twice. Jose Abreu has done it all four of his four years.

Harper has driven in 100 RBI zero times in his six years. Abreu has driven in 100 RBI each of his four years.

Harper has hit 30 or more doubles once. Abreu all four of his years and one of them over 40 doubles.

In Harper's monster 2015 year he had 172 hits. Abreu has had 176 or more every year.

Harper has played in 145 games or more twice. Abreu has done it all four years.

Harper's B.A. is .285, Abreu's .301.
Harper's S.Pct. is .515, Abreu's .524.
Harper's OBP is greater than Abreu's at .386 to .359.

In six years, 768 games, Harper has 785 hits, 149 doubles, 150 HR's, and 421 RBI.

In four years, 614 games, Abreu has 726 hits, 144 doubles, 124 HR's, and 410 RBI.
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Old 10-17-2017, 04:44 PM
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So I am looking at stats...

Harper of course is a superb young ball player. He's been in the league 6 years and yet is only 24. We can expect that we have yet to see the best of him.

However...

In Harper's 6 years he has hit 25 or more HR's twice. Jose Abreu has done it all four of his four years.

Harper has driven in 100 RBI zero times in his six years. Abreu has driven in 100 RBI each of his four years.

Harper has hit 30 or more doubles once. Abreu all four of his years and one of them over 40 doubles.

In Harper's monster 2015 year he had 172 hits. Abreu has had 176 or more every year.

Harper has played in 145 games or more twice. Abreu has done it all four years.

Harper's B.A. is .285, Abreu's .301.
Harper's S.Pct. is .515, Abreu's .524.
Harper's OBP is greater than Abreu's at .386 to .359.

In six years, 768 games, Harper has 785 hits, 149 doubles, 150 HR's, and 421 RBI.

In four years, 614 games, Abreu has 726 hits, 144 doubles, 124 HR's, and 410 RBI.
The bolded section pretty much makes the rest obsolete. Any team that gets him, has him for his age 26 season on, which is his prime years.

Anyone who has seen him bat the last 3 years knows he is a top 3 hitter in the game, no question. He had a .460 OBP at the age of 22... I like Abreu, but don't see how this comparison is relevant. Different ages, different development, etc.

Saying he is a bit of an injury concern is the only viable concern in my opinion. Even that concern is pretty mild because his knee injury this year is his only real injury in the last 3 years.

I don't think there is any chance he wants to play here anyways. However, most people in this thread not wanting him on this team because we have good minor league outfielders, or spending money for a future HoFer when we have the most financial flexibility of any team is surprising.
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Old 10-17-2017, 05:31 PM
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Bryce Harper has a decent chance of becoming the first $40 million AAV player in the game. He won’t be coming here.
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Old 10-17-2017, 06:07 PM
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No. We don't even know where they'll be, so too early to speculate anyway.
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Old 10-17-2017, 06:21 PM
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The label superstar is quickly becoming the most irrelevant label of all.

I am with Mr. White on this one.

The numbers don't justify the label.

http://m.mlb.com/player/547180/bryce-harper
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Old 10-17-2017, 06:31 PM
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HELL NO!!

Another NL hitter who won't do squat offensively in the AL.

No thanks.
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