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Old 02-10-2019, 09:44 PM
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4. No team has a farm system with only drafted players, so what's the point?
The point is that this farm got a massive jump-start by trading Sale, Eaton, and Quintana. Others don't have that edge. (not to mention numerous other secondary pieces, for which Hahn got virtually nothing). I know you don't like Law, but he has the system at #13. If that's accurate, it's a disgrace. Farms that were low ranked 2 years ago have already passed the Sox.
One thing he is accurate about is that it's light on pitching, despite the conventional wisdom.
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Old 02-10-2019, 10:25 PM
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The point is that this farm got a massive jump-start by trading Sale, Eaton, and Quintana. Others don't have that edge. (not to mention numerous other secondary pieces, for which Hahn got virtually nothing). I know you don't like Law, but he has the system at #13. If that's accurate, it's a disgrace. Farms that were low ranked 2 years ago have already passed the Sox.
One thing he is accurate about is that it's light on pitching, despite the conventional wisdom.
Well they did promote three starting pitchers to the majors in the last 18 months, 3 of them saw their first serious action last year.

So it's not really that surprising the pitching in the minors isn't as deep as it was two years ago.
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:18 AM
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The point is that this farm got a massive jump-start by trading Sale, Eaton, and Quintana. Others don't have that edge. (not to mention numerous other secondary pieces, for which Hahn got virtually nothing). I know you don't like Law, but he has the system at #13. If that's accurate, it's a disgrace. Farms that were low ranked 2 years ago have already passed the Sox.
One thing he is accurate about is that it's light on pitching, despite the conventional wisdom.

Whether someone likes Law or not, his ranking for the Sox system looks like an outlier since other rankings I have seen still have the Sox in at least the top 5.

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Old 02-11-2019, 09:12 AM
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Whether someone likes Law or not, his ranking for the Sox system looks like an outlier since other rankings I have seen still have the Sox in at least the top 5.

It is an outlier, so hopefully he is incorrect in his assessment.
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Old 02-11-2019, 09:15 AM
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The point is that this farm got a massive jump-start by trading Sale, Eaton, and Quintana. Others don't have that edge.

It's just an unusual criteria to throw out there. Should we also throw out international players since they weren't drafted?
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:03 AM
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Interesting that Rutherford's rating has taken such a plunge given that he did show an increase in pop last year. Granted, it was not that great with only seven home runs, but the man still has a great hit tool with a good eye. It will be interesting to see what happens to him if his home run total increases to 10-15 this year.
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:25 AM
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Interesting that Rutherford's rating has taken such a plunge given that he did show an increase in pop last year. Granted, it was not that great with only seven home runs, but the man still has a great hit tool with a good eye. It will be interesting to see what happens to him if his home run total increases to 10-15 this year.

Birmingham isn't conducive to home run totals increasing when one is moving up from A-ball, but if he can just continue hitting doubles and triples with good average in Birmingham, we reasonably can expect a jump in home run totals when he advances to Charlotte.


Similarly, I look for Collins to have more HRs in Charlotte than he did in Birmingham.


This may be a feature/bug of the Sox system, where the large dimensions in Birmingham, followed by smaller dimensions in Charlotte, makes it more likely that Sox hitting prospects don't really show much game power until they get to AAA.
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Old 02-11-2019, 12:45 PM
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It's just an unusual criteria to throw out there. Should we also throw out international players since they weren't drafted?
Yeah, it's a slippery slope to start placing qualifiers on which talent in the system "counts". The Sox don't get credit for acquiring Eloy and Cease because they had Quintana to trade.....but who acquired Q in the first place and signed him to a team-friendly contract extension? Same with Sale and Eaton.

Do the Cubs not get credit for Rizzo because of the "insider trading" deal they made when Hoyer was still Padres GM? I suppose Bryant gave them a massive jump start since he basically fell into their laps with the #2 overall pick? We could play this game all day long.

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Old 02-11-2019, 12:57 PM
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Interesting that Rutherford's rating has taken such a plunge given that he did show an increase in pop last year. Granted, it was not that great with only seven home runs, but the man still has a great hit tool with a good eye. It will be interesting to see what happens to him if his home run total increases to 10-15 this year.
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Birmingham isn't conducive to home run totals increasing when one is moving up from A-ball, but if he can just continue hitting doubles and triples with good average in Birmingham, we reasonably can expect a jump in home run totals when he advances to Charlotte.


Similarly, I look for Collins to have more HRs in Charlotte than he did in Birmingham.


This may be a feature/bug of the Sox system, where the large dimensions in Birmingham, followed by smaller dimensions in Charlotte, makes it more likely that Sox hitting prospects don't really show much game power until they get to AAA.
Rutherford certainly has to prove that he can hit for more power even if we factor in the ballpark dimensions at B'ham. I consider myself cautiously optimistic that he will do this. He's still only 21.

It should be another interesting year following the progress of Sox prospects. Bring it on!

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Rutherford certainly has to prove that he can hit for more power even if we factor in the ballpark dimensions at B'ham. I consider myself cautiously optimistic that he will do this. He's still only 21.

It should be another interesting year following the progress of Sox prospects. Bring it on!

Agreed. I'm just pointing out that if this year Rutherford puts up ~30 doubles, ~12 triples, and ~8 homers, while hitting .290ish at Birmingham, he's earned the promotion to Charlotte for 2020, where we would probably expect his home run totals to increase (perhaps at the expense of some doubles and triples).
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Old 02-11-2019, 04:08 PM
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It's just an unusual criteria to throw out there. Should we also throw out international players since they weren't drafted?
Or SD shouldnít get credit for Tatis since they didnít draft him?
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Old 02-11-2019, 04:17 PM
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Or SD shouldnít get credit for Tatis since they didnít draft him?
In all fairness, Tragg is the one poster I can remember being the most upset about trading Tatis at the time of the trade. No revisionist history on his part...
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:02 PM
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In all fairness, Tragg is the one poster I can remember being the most upset about trading Tatis at the time of the trade. No revisionist history on his part...
True. The point I’m responding to, however, is that if the Sox don’t get credit for minor league prospects in their system that were not originally acquired by the Sox, then no team should get such credit.
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True. The point Iím responding to, however, is that if the Sox donít get credit for minor league prospects in their system that were not originally acquired by the Sox, then no team should get such credit.
One step further, the Sox should get credit for Tatis...
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Old 02-11-2019, 09:15 PM
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Here is a write up about a prospect whose name I have not seen here, Kevin Escorcia:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/...cia/ar-BBTsZF7
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