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Old 07-05-2019, 07:50 PM
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I didn't say I wanted all or any of them. But they are quality pitchers. Quality pitchers are more than just the top 10 elite guys.
The Kenny Williams Method of signing guys off the B-list and C-list just isnít worth the money anymore. Paying a 4-WAR player $35 million per season is better than paying 2-WAR players $15 million per season. Either get the tippy-top guys, or just save the money and use it to extend the talent you grow.
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Old 07-07-2019, 09:36 AM
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Nothing wrong with signing 2nd tier pitchers (Sox could actually use some). There is something wrong with signing pitchers of any tier who are in decline.
Charlie Morton was one of those non-declining second tier pitchers. The Astros signed him to eat innings. It was good fortune that he improved into a first-tier pitcher; but the odds were good at the time of signing that he could at least maintain his second tier status because he wasn't in decline.
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Old 07-07-2019, 10:44 AM
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At the rate pitchers seem to get injured these days, it may make sense to have 2 or 3 "B" and "C" level pitchers than pour all the money into one "A" rated super star.
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Old 07-07-2019, 12:39 PM
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At the rate pitchers seem to get injured these days, it may make sense to have 2 or 3 "B" and "C" level pitchers than pour all the money into one "A" rated super star.
I would be fine with this. It seems like in this era, all you really need is a starter to keep you in games for the first 5 innings or so before handing it off to the bullpen. I think it says something that the Sox have managed to be a .500ish team with a rotation featuring only one actual starting-caliber pitcher, and a lot of guys who probably shouldn't be pitching at the MLB level.

That said, we already know that the rotation next year (barring further injury) is going to be Giolito, Kopech, and Cease no matter what, and more than likely Lopez. Even if Kopech and Cease aren't lights out right away, it's hard to imagine--with their stuff--that they won't at least be as good as what the Sox are sending out right now (but probably better). If the Sox could upgrade those black holes at the 4-5 spot in the rotation with guys who are just average, it would probably make a substantial impact.
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Old 07-07-2019, 12:56 PM
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Part of what determines if the Sox go after Cole/a different high priced pitcher is if they really believe that a) the Moncada and Anderson that we've had for April-June 2019 is what we're getting for the next few years, and b) Robert and Madrigal are ready to go for spring 2020. While it's easy to have hindsight now that Giolito has emerged along with some of the other pleasant surprises of this year, you know that people would have been calling it a huge waste of money if they would have spent huge bucks on a starting pitcher this year (especially if Yoan/Tim are hitting .240).

That being said, they need to get, at a minimum, 2 guys, regardless if they're A,B, or C level starters, that can give them a chance. There's been too many games, especially early in the season, where once it was past the 2nd inning, you knew it was not going to be a competitive game. If the Sox really want to have an opportunity to be in playoff contention next year, they have to commit - and that means making the big splash that they were not able/willing to this past offseason, even if it means overpaying. It's not like anyone else is making that much right now anyways - and the attendance will continue to rise as they get more and more interesting and exciting to watch.
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Old 07-07-2019, 05:26 PM
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Palka has been optioned to Charlotte.

Maybe Castillo returns after the ASB; freeing up Collins to DH more?
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Old 07-07-2019, 05:54 PM
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Part of what determines if the Sox go after Cole/a different high priced pitcher is if they really believe that a) the Moncada and Anderson that we've had for April-June 2019 is what we're getting for the next few years, and b) Robert and Madrigal are ready to go for spring 2020. While it's easy to have hindsight now that Giolito has emerged along with some of the other pleasant surprises of this year, you know that people would have been calling it a huge waste of money if they would have spent huge bucks on a starting pitcher this year (especially if Yoan/Tim are hitting .240).

That being said, they need to get, at a minimum, 2 guys, regardless if they're A,B, or C level starters, that can give them a chance. There's been too many games, especially early in the season, where once it was past the 2nd inning, you knew it was not going to be a competitive game. If the Sox really want to have an opportunity to be in playoff contention next year, they have to commit - and that means making the big splash that they were not able/willing to this past offseason, even if it means overpaying. It's not like anyone else is making that much right now anyways - and the attendance will continue to rise as they get more and more interesting and exciting to watch.
No doubt they will go all in for Cole, it is if Cole wants to come here. It has been said the Angels have the inside track right now. But I am sure many teams will be on him. The issue will be more about years of the contract than money.IMO
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Old 07-07-2019, 06:01 PM
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Palka has been optioned to Charlotte.

Maybe Castillo returns after the ASB; freeing up Collins to DH more?
I'm surprised Palka wasn't DFA.
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Old 07-07-2019, 06:18 PM
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I'm surprised Palka was DFA.
Heíll get more ABs in Charlotte than Renteria will give him.
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Old 07-07-2019, 06:23 PM
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Heíll get more ABs in Charlotte than Renteria will give him.
I meant to say surprised he wasn't DFA.
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Old 07-07-2019, 06:47 PM
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I meant to say surprised he wasn't DFA.
Ok, got it. Still, he wonít be taking ABs away from anyone of note in Charlotte; Robertís going to play CF.
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Old 07-07-2019, 07:08 PM
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Palka has been optioned to Charlotte.

Maybe Castillo returns after the ASB; freeing up Collins to DH more?
During the radio broadcast today- they made it sound like TA would be back for the Oakland series after the break.
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Old 07-07-2019, 07:20 PM
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During the radio broadcast today- they made it sound like TA would be back for the Oakland series after the break.
That would be a welcome surprise.
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Old 07-07-2019, 09:41 PM
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I feel for Palka, he was the Sox mvp last year and now he cant hit a 1 years old weight. I doubt we will ever see him in a Sox uniform again.
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Old 07-08-2019, 12:50 AM
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I feel for Palka, he was the Sox mvp last year and now he cant hit a 1 years old weight. I doubt we will ever see him in a Sox uniform again.
They worked with him from Spring Training to cut his K's and increase his walks and this is the result. He's more messed up than a football bat.
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