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Old 08-22-2018, 10:11 PM
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Dylan Cease tonight through 5 IP: 0 R, 2 H, 2 BB, 11 K
Man, if Cease and Kopech both continue trending upward like this, and then you couple them with Rodon, the Sox would have a pretty devastating top 3.
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Old 08-22-2018, 11:49 PM
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Man, if Cease and Kopech both continue trending upward like this, and then you couple them with Rodon, the Sox would have a pretty devastating top 3.
This is a world series contending, year after year, rotation. This is WITHOUT Dunning, Gioliti developing, Lopez developing, and any free agent acquisitions.

Those three are lights out pitchers. Not sure who is the ace at their peak.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:36 AM
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This is a world series contending, year after year, rotation. This is WITHOUT Dunning, Gioliti developing, Lopez developing, and any free agent acquisitions.

Those three are lights out pitchers. Not sure who is the ace at their peak.
Don't forget Hansen, too.

Only thing that worries me is that all these guys have command issues other than Dunning.
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:44 AM
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Man, if Cease and Kopech both continue trending upward like this, and then you couple them with Rodon, the Sox would have a pretty devastating top 3.
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This is a world series contending, year after year, rotation. This is WITHOUT Dunning, Gioliti developing, Lopez developing, and any free agent acquisitions.

Those three are lights out pitchers. Not sure who is the ace at their peak.
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Don't forget Hansen, too.

Only thing that worries me is that all these guys have command issues other than Dunning.
Yeah, Rodon-Kopech-Cease could be an elite top 3 in a couple of years and then there are lots of potentially good options to fill out the rotation without having to go out and sign a 30-year old FA pitcher to a long term deal. I hope Hansen gets back on track, because his ceiling is pretty high. And I don't want to hear doom talk just yet about Rodon walking after '21. That's 3 full seasons away and the Sox should have the payroll flexibility to re-sign him then if that's what's needed to keep a World Series-quality nucleus intact.

I also have high hopes for a top-notch bullpen in a couple of years with Burdi, Hamilton, Tyler Johnson, and other pitchers already in the Sox system.
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Old 08-23-2018, 11:07 AM
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Eloy has drawn a line in the sand with his recently written article in the player's Tribune (I apologize for not linking here).

He has clearly stated he is ready for baseball at the major league level. I wonder if this finally pushes the club to take the plunge. At this point, it is beginning to look as bad as the wait for Kopech.
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Old 08-23-2018, 11:24 AM
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Eloy has drawn a line in the sand with his recently written article in the player's Tribune (I apologize for not linking here).

He has clearly stated he is ready for baseball at the major league level. I wonder if this finally pushes the club to take the plunge. At this point, it is beginning to look as bad as the wait for Kopech.
I understand service time and that most if not all teams do this, but there's something to be said for keeping the future cornerstones of your franchise happy.
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Old 08-23-2018, 11:29 AM
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I too want Eloy in the majors now, but in defense of Sox management, Eloy still has had less than one full seasonís worth of plate appearances combined between AA and AAA.
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Old 08-23-2018, 11:42 AM
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I understand service time and that most if not all teams do this, but there's something to be said for keeping the future cornerstones of your franchise happy.
Fully in agreement. If we haven't figured it out six years from now, there will be nothing that makes us figure it out in the seventh. Let him play.
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:02 PM
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Eloy has drawn a line in the sand with his recently written article in the player's Tribune (I apologize for not linking here).

Here it is. I don't characterize it as an ultimatum.
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:10 PM
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Eloy would be in AAA today regardless of what organization he was in. He knows that. All 30 GMs know that.
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:11 PM
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This is a world series contending, year after year, rotation. This is WITHOUT Dunning, Gioliti developing, Lopez developing, and any free agent acquisitions.

Those three are lights out pitchers. Not sure who is the ace at their peak.
Yeah this is the best argument for Sox optimism. They have like 7-8 guys who might be really good MLB pitchers come 2020 or 2021, and they only need 3-4 of them to actually pan out.

The best argument for Sox pessimism is that the last time they successfully developed a position player into an All-Star caliber MLBer was...um...
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:15 PM
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Eloy has drawn a line in the sand with his recently written article in the player's Tribune (I apologize for not linking here).

He has clearly stated he is ready for baseball at the major league level. I wonder if this finally pushes the club to take the plunge. At this point, it is beginning to look as bad as the wait for Kopech.
The desire of a player to be promoted, no matter how strongly worded it is or how elite the player is, cannot be allowed to influence a front officeís decision-making process. What would stop Dylan Cease from doing the same thing next year? Or Nick Madrigal the year after?
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:18 PM
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Here it is. I don't characterize it as an ultimatum.
It isn't. It is a statement similar to ones made by dozens of other prospects throughout the years. It is also a statement that could be made by every current (or future, for that matter) minor league player.
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:44 PM
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Bryce Bush with a 10-game hitting streak after going 2 or 4 yesterday for Great Falls. I'm looking forward to seeing how he progresses as he moves his way up the farm system.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:25 PM
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Yeah this is the best argument for Sox optimism. They have like 7-8 guys who might be really good MLB pitchers come 2020 or 2021, and they only need 3-4 of them to actually pan out.

The best argument for Sox pessimism is that the last time they successfully developed a position player into an All-Star caliber MLBer was...um...
Agreed on both counts. We might see a dramatic improvement in the quality of pitching (both starting and bullpen) as soon as next year.

As far as position players go, well.......you don't have to be a dark cloud to acknowledge the Sox poor track record there. It doesn't help that Moncada has had a terrible year and if anything seems to be regressing. I'm not giving up on the guy, but his performance hardly instills confidence in the progress of position player talent.

That being said, the Sox are stacked with OF talent. So, I have little concern there. But lots of question marks remain for infield and catcher.
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