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Old 10-01-2018, 07:07 PM
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I'm fine with them parting ways with Davidson.
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Old 10-01-2018, 07:13 PM
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Why just limit the discussion to players on the field?
You could talk about the front office, manager and coaching staff and I wouldn't have any objections.
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Old 10-01-2018, 07:44 PM
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You could talk about the front office, manager and coaching staff and I wouldn't have any objections.

Ok, move Cooper out. If you want to give him a position similar to that of Bob Pulford's fine. Just get a new face in there at the MLB level.
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Old 10-01-2018, 08:27 PM
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I'll do a little dance when they're gone:
Fulmer
A. Garcia
Infante
Shields

No dance, but no reason to keep 'em, even in the minors:
Farquhar
Garneau
Gomez
Gonzalez
LaMarre
Minaya
Santiago
Scahill
Vieira

Might have some short-term value, so trade 'em if you can:
Castillo
L. Garcia
N. Jones

Cheap enough to hang onto:
Bummer
Burr
Cordell
Covey
Davidson
Delmonico
Ruiz
Smith
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Old 10-01-2018, 11:53 PM
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Ed Farmer, Darrin Jackson,
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Old 10-02-2018, 06:43 AM
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I just really hope Shields is gone.
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Old 10-02-2018, 07:38 AM
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I just really hope Shields is gone.
I donít have a problem if heís brought back at a lower salary; this team will need an innings eater to eat innings at the end of the rotation. He proved this year he can do that.
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Old 10-02-2018, 08:08 AM
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My comments noted above.
And now for management, the true culprits:
Williams - kick further upstairs with a ceremonial role
Hahn - dump
Cooper - dump
Renteria - dump
Haber - dump
Steverson - either way
Hostetler - dump
I really don't understand your hatred for Hostetler. The drafts under him have been pretty solid.
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Old 10-02-2018, 08:17 AM
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I really don't understand your hatred for Hostetler. The drafts under him have been pretty solid.
Iím guessing guilt by association.
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Old 10-04-2018, 01:08 PM
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Thanks for the good wishes guys. Been in the hospital for eight days now but I've had this GI issue for about a month and have lost 20 pounds. Like the Sox rebuild it is a process. Unfortunately.
Get well soon, Lip. Your posts are missed.
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Old 10-04-2018, 03:31 PM
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My comments noted above.
And now for management, the true culprits:
Williams - kick further upstairs with a ceremonial role
Hahn - dump
Cooper - dump
Renteria - dump
Haber - dump
Steverson - either way
Hostetler - dump
What about the guy who owns the team?
He is responsible for all of these people.
No real change will happen until he's gone.
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Old 10-04-2018, 04:09 PM
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I really don't understand your hatred for Hostetler. The drafts under him have been pretty solid.
I calculated this the other day - the Sox may have a total of 3-4 WAR since 2014 from draft picks. How many are in the top 100? Madrigal, and that's because he was a high pick. Maybe Gonzales- he looks good.
What am I missing?

Fulmer? (I know, some blame it on Lauman, of course)
Collins - okay; Burdi - Yikes!; Hansen - we'll see; Call and Fisher? Please.
Burger and Sheets = 2 DHs; the pitchers don't look like anything special.

So I don't see how this is quality drafting.
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Old 10-04-2018, 04:28 PM
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I calculated this the other day - the Sox may have a total of 3-4 WAR since 2014 from draft picks. How many are in the top 100? Madrigal, and that's because he was a high pick. Maybe Gonzales- he looks good.
What am I missing?

Fulmer? (I know, some blame it on Lauman, of course)
Collins - okay; Burdi - Yikes!; Hansen - we'll see; Call and Fisher? Please.
Burger and Sheets = 2 DHs; the pitchers don't look like anything special.

So I don't see how this is quality drafting.
This is more of a rhetorical question; Iím not asking you to do my research for me, but what first and second rounders drafted by other teams after the Sox drafted in each of those years, has outshined the Sox draftees so far?

My point is that the quality of a draft class can only be judged in the context of other teamsí draft classes, particularly those of teams who drafted after the Sox.

To be most simplistic about it, we canít blame the Sox for not drafting Ken Griffey, Jr., or Kris Bryant; they had been drafted long before the Sox were on the board.
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Old 10-05-2018, 11:21 AM
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I calculated this the other day - the Sox may have a total of 3-4 WAR since 2014 from draft picks. How many are in the top 100? Madrigal, and that's because he was a high pick. Maybe Gonzales- he looks good.
What am I missing?

Fulmer? (I know, some blame it on Lauman, of course)
Collins - okay; Burdi - Yikes!; Hansen - we'll see; Call and Fisher? Please.
Burger and Sheets = 2 DHs; the pitchers don't look like anything special.

So I don't see how this is quality drafting.
This is more of a rhetorical question; I’m not asking you to do my research for me, but what first and second rounders drafted by other teams after the Sox drafted in each of those years, has outshined the Sox draftees so far?

My point is that the quality of a draft class can only be judged in the context of other teams’ draft classes, particularly those of teams who drafted after the Sox.

To be most simplistic about it, we can’t blame the Sox for not drafting Ken Griffey, Jr., or Kris Bryant; they had been drafted long before the Sox were on the board.
Frater, excellent point. Easy to keep taking pot shots about the Sox recent drafting history when you ignore the fact that most 1st round picks around the league never become all-stars.

Along those lines, I don't get the suggestion that picking Burdi at 26th overall was horribly bad. Even with having TJS, he still has a ceiling/potential of being an elite closer. And which player was picked shortly after him that made this such a ridiculous pick? Dane Dunning perhaps? He was selected 3 picks after Burdi. But, but, but....when the Sox acquired Dunning as one of 3 starting pitchers for future HOFer Adam Eaton, the trade was only grudgingly "okay".

I didn't realize we're writing off Burdi already even before he pitches in a single major league game. That just starts to sound like a "every move the Sox make is terrible" narrative.

Also, if the Madrigal pick doesn't count because it was a high pick, then I suppose the Cubs get no credit for picking Bryant and the Astros get no credit for picking Bregman and Correa.

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Old 10-05-2018, 11:37 AM
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....oh, and Sheets is nothing more than a DH? Come on.

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