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Old 03-18-2018, 04:36 PM
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God I can't wait until Shields is DFA.
Why not hope the new arm angle allows him to pitch effectively through June, and then gets dealt (along with a reliever) for a prospect, to make space for Kopech in the rotation?
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Old 03-18-2018, 04:47 PM
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Why not hope the new arm angle allows him to pitch effectively through June, and then gets dealt (along with a reliever) for a prospect, to make space for Kopech in the rotation?
We can hope, but it is unrealistic based on what he's been since that start on 5/31/16. I'd give it a <5% chance of happening.
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Old 03-18-2018, 04:49 PM
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Why not hope the new arm angle allows him to pitch effectively through June, and then gets dealt (along with a reliever) for a prospect, to make space for Kopech in the rotation?
Ill go a lot further. How about Shields having a Steve Carlton 1980 year, then sign a two year contract to anchor the contending Sox staff.
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Old 03-18-2018, 05:10 PM
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God I can't wait until Shields is DFA.
Like you, I certainly won’t miss him when he’s gone. I wanted him tossed aside last summer, and I don’t buy into this “new arm angle rebirth” any more than you do. However, now that the end of the Shields fiasco is within sight, we may as well just take the 100-170 IP (depending on whether or not he pitches his way into some trade value) and put the whole experience behind us. With all the young arms in the rotation, plus an injured Rodon, Shields and Gonzalez need to be the guys who sometimes can save the bullpen by giving a little bit extra (like going 7+ innings or throwing >100 pitches).
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Old 03-18-2018, 05:12 PM
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Why not hope the new arm angle allows him to pitch effectively through June, and then gets dealt (along with a reliever) for a prospect, to make space for Kopech in the rotation?
Shields hasn't pitched well enough to be a 5th starter on a bad team, much less a good team, in 2+ seasons. But if he can, great. And they should be able to move some relievers.
But Hahn also needs to start building this team back up. They are still pitching short, imo, and have no depth in the middle infield.
And about Kopech....
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Old 03-18-2018, 05:15 PM
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Ill go a lot further. How about Shields having a Steve Carlton 1980 year, then sign a two year contract to anchor the contending Sox staff.
Even if Shields does succeed, I cannot think of any situation where I would want him here past September 2018.
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Old 03-18-2018, 05:17 PM
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This is no way to talk about Opening Day starter James Shields!
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Old 03-18-2018, 05:19 PM
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Shields hasn't pitched well enough to be a 5th starter on a bad team, much less a good team, in 2+ seasons. But if he can, great. And they should be able to move some relievers.
This x1000
Also-unpopular opinion alert: Kopech and Cease are more likely to be lights out relievers than an ace. I hope they prove me wrong though.

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Old 03-18-2018, 07:19 PM
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Good to see WSI in mid-season form today. It's only spring training and the misery is out in full force. I can't wait to see the reaction after this team hits inevitable struggles and the losses pile up once the season starts.

I hate to see the Sox lose as much as the next guy and I hate that this franchise was driven into a ditch over a 10 or so -year period, but some of you guys really love grinding that axe against Sox management.

There's an old saying that Sox fans love to be miserable. That stereotype is on full display today on March 18.
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Old 03-18-2018, 07:24 PM
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Good to see WSI in mid-season form today. It's only spring training and the misery is out in full force. I can't wait to see the reaction after this team hits inevitable struggles and the losses pile up once the season starts.

I hate to see the Sox lose as much as the next guy and I hate that this franchise was driven into a ditch over a 10 or so -year period, but some of you guys really love grinding that axe against Sox management.

There's an old saying that Sox fans love to be miserable. That stereotype is on full display today on March 18.
This.
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Old 03-18-2018, 07:29 PM
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There's an old saying that Sox fans love to be miserable. That stereotype is on full display today on March 18.
Three World Series titles in over 100 years.

Can you blame them?

Winning solves all problems. The White Sox have had some very nice stretches but they consistently come up short when it comes to the big prize.

That's not grinding an axe, that's historical facts.

And Shields sucks...that is all. 9-19 with the Sox with an ERA of 5.99.

Again those are the facts. For Tatis Junior.
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Old 03-18-2018, 07:37 PM
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Like you, I certainly won’t miss him when he’s gone. I wanted him tossed aside last summer, and I don’t buy into this “new arm angle rebirth” any more than you do. However, now that the end of the Shields fiasco is within sight, we may as well just take the 100-170 IP (depending on whether or not he pitches his way into some trade value) and put the whole experience behind us. With all the young arms in the rotation, plus an injured Rodon, Shields and Gonzalez need to be the guys who sometimes can save the bullpen by giving a little bit extra (like going 7+ innings or throwing >100 pitches).
Well said.

Let's face it, the Sox are not gunning for a playoff spot this year. We just need Shields to be able to eat up innings like he did the 2nd half next year. I'm not even holding my breath that he'll have any trade value. At any rate, he'll be gone after the end of this season and he won't be here when this team is good again in a year or two.
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Old 03-18-2018, 08:17 PM
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Past 500 someone start Spring Training Thread II and add whatever funky quip to make it yours you so desire...

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