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Old 06-16-2018, 07:14 PM
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Giolito is not hitting his spots. Look at where the catcher is setting up and where the ball ultimately arrives. He doesn't have good command of neither his fastball nor his curveball right now.



Renteria has had a bit of a longer leash with Giolito than he had with Fulmer. There were a few outings where Giolito could have been pulled after two or three innings but wasn't. There also were a few outings where Fulmer could have been left out there to soak up some innings after the horse left the barn, like Giolito has been allowed to do.


Yes, Giolito has been better than Fulmer, but not by much. They both aren't ready for life in the majors yet. I thought they both would be, but I was wrong. In hindsight, their placement in the starting rotation may have been too aggressive, and we may as well use their minor-league options to let them develop command of their pitches.
It's well known that catchers don't always set up where they want the ball thrown to prevent giving away information. I don't know for a fact this is the case, but it's certainly something to consider.

Here's Giolito's game log...

http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/gamel.../lucas-giolito

Since late April he's failed to make it to the 6th twice (he made it against the Pirates but got pulled after a leadoff single).

He's given up more than 5 runs in only one of those games. Now 5 isn't great but it's hardly world class bad either.

I'm not saying he's been a world beater. Clearly that's not true, but the simple fact is he has not been as bad as some are claiming, IMO and has been showing signs of improvement.

Will he survive and turn into an effective pitcher in the future? I don't know, but I disagree with the vehemence which people are screaming for his head in a season that isn't going anywhere anyway.

Edit: And just for comparison, here's Fulmer's game log. This is bad...

http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/gamel.../carson-fulmer
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Old 06-16-2018, 07:18 PM
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Pitchfx has not updated yet. How was his velocity? Was it trending up like last start?
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Old 06-16-2018, 07:53 PM
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Pitchfx has not updated yet. How was his velocity? Was it trending up like last start?
I was at the game, and FWIW, the scoreboard seemed to have his fastball at 92 more often than not.

He's bad. I mean, you look at the Detroit lineup today, and the bottom half of it is Triple-A quality. Giolito did fine against those guys. The top four or five hitters in the Detroit order torched him.

Even the first inning, when he got the Tigers 1-2-3, two of three outs were scorched. Turns out that first AB was the only time Castellanos made weak contact. Next two times, home runs.
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Old 06-17-2018, 12:08 AM
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If you go to the Gameday, you can look at every pitch and the data from it. It is It seems like he was off the whole game today, as I didn't see any 94-95 mph fastballs today. He's not finishing properly and falling off the mound when that happens. Watch the guy when he throws a 93+mph fastball, and watch him when he throws a 90-91 mph fastball and you'll see two different finishes. His problems are completely mechanical.
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Old 06-17-2018, 03:10 PM
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If you go to the Gameday, you can look at every pitch and the data from it. It is It seems like he was off the whole game today, as I didn't see any 94-95 mph fastballs today. He's not finishing properly and falling off the mound when that happens. Watch the guy when he throws a 93+mph fastball, and watch him when he throws a 90-91 mph fastball and you'll see two different finishes. His problems are completely mechanical.
This goes back to what I previously stated that Cooper needs to be replaced. I donít see him accomplishing anything with any of the Sox young pitchers. Coop canít seem to fix anything period.
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Old 06-17-2018, 03:31 PM
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His velocity did drop last game back to season norms. I honestly don't know if we even have anything here to work with. We have a power pitcher (hit 100 in futures game) who has completely lost that aspect of his game and he can't locate off speed. He may be broken for good considering the velocity drop has been persistent. Maybe it's mechanical but we don't seem to be able to fix that either. Agree about Cooper but he's JR's man
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Old 06-17-2018, 03:59 PM
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His problems are completely mechanical.
OK. Letís assume this is the case; itís the most logical explanation I have heard for Giolitoís struggles. Now that we know what it is, we can send him to the minors to fix it. Down there, he can work exclusively on refining the mechanical problems without the added pressure of having to get big-league hitters out while heís doing it. Itís too tough to do both, and the remaining option means he doesnít have to do both.

This is another example of doing the rebuild the right way vs. doing it the quick way.
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Old 06-17-2018, 05:07 PM
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This goes back to what I previously stated that Cooper needs to be replaced. I donít see him accomplishing anything with any of the Sox young pitchers. Coop canít seem to fix anything period.
Whoever fixed Covey (McCatty?) can have Coop's job.
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Old 06-17-2018, 07:37 PM
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whoever fixed covey (mccatty?) can have coop's job.

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