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View Poll Results: Who deserves it?
Joe Jackson 29 56.86%
Harold Baines 21 41.18%
Minnie Minoso 32 62.75%
Billy Pierce 24 47.06%
Konerko 6 11.76%
Buehrle 5 9.80%
Dick Allen 13 25.49%
Wilbur Wood 3 5.88%
The inventor of Churros 7 13.73%
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Old 11-07-2018, 11:27 AM
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I would vote for Minnie, Pierce, and Shoeless. Since Shoeless' ban was lifetime, I have no problem recognizing his steller play posthumously. Minnie's historical significance added to his steller play makes him a no-brainer to me. As far as Pierce goes, if Whitey Ford is in the HOF, so should Pierce be. Harold, Pauly, and Allen are close but miss out.
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Old 11-07-2018, 09:33 PM
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I would vote for Minnie, Pierce, and Shoeless. Since Shoeless' ban was lifetime, I have no problem recognizing his steller play posthumously. Minnie's historical significance added to his steller play makes him a no-brainer to me. As far as Pierce goes, if Whitey Ford is in the HOF, so should Pierce be. Harold, Pauly, and Allen are close but miss out.

Ironically, Joe Jackson was eligible for election to the Hall of Fame from its inception until the day he died. He wasn't declared ineligible until almost four decades after his death.


Jackson was declared permanently ineligible by baseball's first commissioner. People historically have referred to the restriction as a lifetime ban. There are people who continue to petition for Joe Jackson's reinstatement because the commissioner's office still considers the ban to be in effect.


Jackson's legacy is not his stellar play. It is the shame he brought to the game.
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Old 11-07-2018, 10:33 PM
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Jeremy Reed.
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Old 11-07-2018, 11:02 PM
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Old 11-08-2018, 01:54 AM
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Since Shoeless' ban was lifetime, I have no problem recognizing his steller play posthumously.
As TDog said, Joe's ban is "permanently ineligible," not "lifetime."


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Minnie's historical significance added to his stellar play makes him a no-brainer to me.
The first black Hispanic player, he faced double problems. He absolutely should be in.
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:57 AM
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:13 AM
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Billy Pierce was the best AL pitcher in the 50's and should be in. Minnie Minoso was one of the best players of his era. Coupled with the barriers he broke, I'd put him in too. Dick Allen was better than Jim Rice and was one of the most fearsome offensive threats ever and he should be in too.

Joe Jackson helped throw a World Series. Keep him out forever.

As for the rest, hall of above average to good (Baines) to hall of very good on the rest of them. As much as I loved Paulie he wasn't good enough to be in the hall of fame.
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:38 AM
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Don't forget Tommy John and Jim Kaat.

This. Along with Billy Pierce, these three lefties should be in the HOF.
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:48 AM
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Minnie, Billy and Nellie for sure. If they were wearing Yankme pinstripes they’d be fated with the same accolades.

Joe unfortunately caught up in the freaking scandal. He’s a no brainer as well.

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Old 11-08-2018, 01:42 PM
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Minnie, Billy and Nellie for sure. If they were wearing Yankme pinstripes they’d be fated with the same accolades.

Joe unfortunately caught up in the freaking scandal. He’s a no brainer as well.

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Old 11-08-2018, 02:07 PM
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Don't forget Tommy John and Jim Kaat.
They belong but would probably not wear Sox caps on their plaques, especially Kaat. TJ might as he spent 8 years with the Yankees, 7 with the Sox, 6 with the Dodgers and another 7 with 3 other teams.

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Old 11-08-2018, 02:18 PM
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Billy Pierce was the best AL pitcher in the 50's and should be in. Minnie Minoso was one of the best players of his era. Coupled with the barriers he broke, I'd put him in too. Dick Allen was better than Jim Rice and was one of the most fearsome offensive threats ever and he should be in too.

Joe Jackson helped throw a World Series. Keep him out forever.

As for the rest, hall of above average to good (Baines) to hall of very good on the rest of them. As much as I loved Paulie he wasn't good enough to be in the hall of fame.
Santo is in, then PK should be in. Besides that Santo was a jerk and a cry baby while PK was a class act.
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:10 PM
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Kiu, Nellie is already in.
Old man brain fart, Nell... You know how that goes. I can remember stuff from 1963 better than the stuff I did one month ago. By the way, have you seen my car keys? I hope I didnít leave them in the fridge next to the bottle of Geritol.

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Old 11-08-2018, 03:12 PM
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I've always felt that Billy Pierce was overlooked by the HOF. His stats compare similarly to that of Whitey Ford, as they both were the ace of their staffs. Ford no doubt benefited from pitching for the power laden Yankees while Pierce's White Sox had to scratch and fight for every run they could get. My Dad often said if Pierce had pitched for the Yankees and Whitey Ford on the White Sox the outcomes would've been pretty much the same. Ford probably would've lost as many heartbreakers as Billy Pierce did.



All that being said, Ford no doubt was a HOF class pitcher as his W-L record and astounding .690 winning percentage would indicate. Now on to Billy Pierce, Tommy John and Jim Kaat and the case for their enshrinement in to Cooperstown.



Billy Pierce W-211 L-169 Wpct-.555
Tommy John W-288 L-231 Wpct- .555
Jim Kaat W-283 L-237 Wpct - .544


I've often wondered what the best 162 game stretch the above 3 had during their careers. I've been a little lazy at looking it up and figuring it all out, but the point I'm getting at, if Pierce, John, and Kaat were a singular baseball team what would their best 162 game record be? i.e. W-100 L-62 etc...and I'd bet that their 162 game record would be good enough to be a 1st place team, and that in my estimation would indicate that they were HOF caliber type pitchers during the prime of their careers.
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:25 PM
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Old man brain fart, Nell... You know how that goes. I can remember stuff from 1963 better than the stuff I did one month ago. By the way, have you seen my car keys? I hope I didnít leave them in the fridge next to the bottle of Geritol.

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