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Old 11-13-2018, 05:29 PM
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What?? He had some value, but a trade wasn't made so that means they didn't properly gauge his value? Is this for real?
Of course, somebody would have traded for him for true value.....which isn't determined by the sox. Now there is zero leverage to trade him because his arb number is going to be out of whack with what he's expected to produce and the Sox will have turned Jake Peavy, who was one of that year's top deadline targets, into nothing
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Old 11-13-2018, 05:36 PM
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Wasn't there a report that they had a deal lined up to send Avi for Francis Marte from Astros but his knee problems kiboshed it?
Marte had Tommy John surgery in August, so I guess it's moot.
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Old 11-13-2018, 06:49 PM
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Of course, somebody would have traded for him for true value.....which isn't determined by the sox. Now there is zero leverage to trade him because his arb number is going to be out of whack with what he's expected to produce and the Sox will have turned Jake Peavy, who was one of that year's top deadline targets, into nothing
Unless Blake Rutherford pans out...
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Old 11-13-2018, 09:33 PM
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Of course, somebody would have traded for him for true value.....which isn't determined by the sox. Now there is zero leverage to trade him because his arb number is going to be out of whack with what he's expected to produce and the Sox will have turned Jake Peavy, who was one of that year's top deadline targets, into nothing
The return for a rental player the Sox traded 5 years ago means nothing at this point.

It's disappointing when a young player doesn't pan out, but that's sometimes how it goes in sports. Fortunately, the Sox have enough pieces currently in the organization that the rebuild isn't effected by not cashing in on Avi a year ago.

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Old 11-14-2018, 12:42 AM
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Marte had Tommy John surgery in August, so I guess it's moot.
Rosenthal's original story in the Athletic said the Sox wanted him anyway even though they knew he was likely headed to surgery.
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Old 11-14-2018, 10:09 AM
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Trying to make sense of this Nelson Cruz rumor.

Again, let's remember why we don't like the idea of the Sox signing mediocre free agents. We don't like it because we fear it will either block existing prospects, or will hamstring the team's financial flexibility during the window of contention. In both cases, the bad impacts of a bad FA signing would take place circa 2020-2021 or later.

Suppose the Sox decide they want to do Machado and Harper. They will have about two years during which Harper and Machado will be in their primes, but the team will not contend.

I suppose they might want to try out a few Nelson Cruz types, sign them to 2 year contracts, and see if the Sox might luck into contending in 2019 and 2020. Then they'd be gone before they can do damage. And if the Sox don't contend, they could probably be traded to a contender at the 2019 deadline unless they have well and truly embarrassed themselves at the plate.

Still can't make any sense of the Corbin rumor, but I guess I won't be angry if they sign Nelson Cruz to a 2-year deal.
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Old 11-14-2018, 10:42 AM
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Trying to make sense of this Nelson Cruz rumor.

Again, let's remember why we don't like the idea of the Sox signing mediocre free agents. We don't like it because we fear it will either block existing prospects, or will hamstring the team's financial flexibility during the window of contention. In both cases, the bad impacts of a bad FA signing would take place circa 2020-2021 or later.

Suppose the Sox decide they want to do Machado and Harper. They will have about two years during which Harper and Machado will be in their primes, but the team will not contend.

I suppose they might want to try out a few Nelson Cruz types, sign them to 2 year contracts, and see if the Sox might luck into contending in 2019 and 2020. Then they'd be gone before they can do damage. And if the Sox don't contend, they could probably be traded to a contender at the 2019 deadline unless they have well and truly embarrassed themselves at the plate.

Still can't make any sense of the Corbin rumor, but I guess I won't be angry if they sign Nelson Cruz to a 2-year deal.
Cruz would certainly boost our chances at looking competitive enough for one of the top guys. But more importantly he's lineup protection for the younger guys. It's not like every position player prospect of consequence we've brought up hasn't struggled mightily.

The guy has averaged 40 homers a year over his last five seasons. I don't think he's mediocre. Especially if he's the DH.
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Old 11-14-2018, 10:44 AM
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He is also going to get paid the most, sans Greinke. I would rather go with a cheaper short-term option—or go whole-hog on Greinke—than pay full sticker price on Happ.
Why though? Is the money paid to Happ being used? Is it going to prevent signings the next 3 years? The answer to that is almost assuredly no, so I'd rather have the guy that is actually good.
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Old 11-14-2018, 12:32 PM
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The guy has averaged 40 homers a year over his last five seasons. I don't think he's mediocre. Especially if he's the DH.

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Old 11-14-2018, 12:40 PM
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To be fair, Cruz has being doing this into his late 30's. I don't think he'll fall off a cliff, but even if he does it's not a big deal.
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Old 11-14-2018, 11:34 PM
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Why though? Is the money paid to Happ being used? Is it going to prevent signings the next 3 years? The answer to that is almost assuredly no, so I'd rather have the guy that is actually good.
That is why you see if Greinke is available. I have a lot more faith in his ability to be good in 2021 than I have in Happ.
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Old 11-14-2018, 11:37 PM
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To be fair, Cruz has being doing this into his late 30's. I don't think he'll fall off a cliff, but even if he does it's not a big deal.
I would just as soon stay away from guys with PED taint.
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Old 11-15-2018, 11:36 AM
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That is why you see if Greinke is available. I have a lot more faith in his ability to be good in 2021 than I have in Happ.
Greinke is certainly available, and 3 years at $30 million per is about market for him. The problem is that he's the best available, and it isn't like Arizona doesn't know that. He's going to cost a haul of prospects, and trading a haul of prospects for a pitcher in his 30's is probably the last thing we should be doing.
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Old 11-15-2018, 11:44 AM
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I would just as soon stay away from guys with PED taint.

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Old 11-15-2018, 11:55 AM
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I would just as soon stay away from guys with PED taint.
It isn't like he isn't still producing. In fact, he's been better since serving his suspension.

I'm not gonna be down on a guy with a PED suspension half a decade ago, especially when he's still an incredible hitter.
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