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Old 10-10-2018, 11:53 AM
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If you get away from the noise of the local fan base, the national vibe about the White Sox is that they are one of the premier teams of the 2020's. This would make the team an enticing destination for a "I want a ring" free agent who is under 30 years old right.

I agree with the above poster who said Machado is more likely than Harper as a target given the depth of our outfield prospect talent. Also a Machado signing could result in a trade of Tim Anderson (is Machado says SS is his home) and Anderson could fetch a pretty nice haul. If Machado wants to make 3rd his home, the Sox could have a pretty fearsome infield. To go along with the pitching. To go along with the Outfield......
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Old 10-10-2018, 12:32 PM
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Machado is a defensive downgrade from Anderson at SS. I would just as soon sit this free agent period out and wait for Nolan Arenado. I would also be fine with just waiting out Nick Madrigalís development and seeing if he can play 2B. Of course, these plans are contingent on being OK with a bad season in 2019.
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Old 10-10-2018, 01:35 PM
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Machado is a defensive downgrade from Anderson at SS. I would just as soon sit this free agent period out and wait for Nolan Arenado. I would also be fine with just waiting out Nick Madrigalís development and seeing if he can play 2B. Of course, these plans are contingent on being OK with a bad season in 2019.
It wouldn't be my first choice, but I'd take Machado at SS if that is what seals the deal. I'd rather have him than Harper anyway (nothing to do with Harper's perceived attitude) as I think Machado will produce more over time. Machado is a perfect fit at 3B, period. He is a perfect fit in the batting lineup but not the field at SS, but still more ideal than any other FA available this year or next.
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Old 10-10-2018, 01:51 PM
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Was it the world series DVD where Selig and JR are having lunch and JR admits he likes to find guys like Dye who were good and coming off bad years?
That was in the MLB Network documentary that followed the Sox during the 2010 season.
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Old 10-10-2018, 03:21 PM
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Jim Margalus at Soxmachine has a good summary of how much payroll commitments the Sox have for 2019 (even with Abreu's and Avi's expected arb numbers). It comes out to about $56M
https://www.soxmachine.com/2018/10/1...and-then-some/

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Machado is a defensive downgrade from Anderson at SS. I would just as soon sit this free agent period out and wait for Nolan Arenado. I would also be fine with just waiting out Nick Madrigalís development and seeing if he can play 2B. Of course, these plans are contingent on being OK with a bad season in 2019.
The one advantage of Machado over Arenado is that we know that Machado is heading to free agency. They could decide to pass on Machado because they'd rather wait for Arenado and then he ends up signing an extension with Colorado.
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If you get away from the noise of the local fan base, the national vibe about the White Sox is that they are one of the premier teams of the 2020's. This would make the team an enticing destination for a "I want a ring" free agent who is under 30 years old right.

I agree with the above poster who said Machado is more likely than Harper as a target given the depth of our outfield prospect talent. Also a Machado signing could result in a trade of Tim Anderson (is Machado says SS is his home) and Anderson could fetch a pretty nice haul. If Machado wants to make 3rd his home, the Sox could have a pretty fearsome infield. To go along with the pitching. To go along with the Outfield......
Or move Anderson to CF
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Old 10-10-2018, 04:34 PM
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Or move Anderson to CF
I understand Machado would be a big get, but you'd be moving a bad SS in for a good one, and taking that good one and throwing him at a position where he very well may not be any good, either. So then you've potentially got two bad defenders at important positions. If it comes down to it I'd offer MM an extra 3M a year just to play third and drop his insistence to play short.
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Old 10-10-2018, 05:10 PM
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Old 10-10-2018, 05:17 PM
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Or move Anderson to CF
I think he is destined there either way. He has potential, but he was far from a good defensive SS last year. With his speed an arm, he could be an insanely good CF.
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Old 10-10-2018, 05:36 PM
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I think he is destined there either way. He has potential, but he was far from a good defensive SS last year. With his speed an arm, he could be an insanely good CF.
He was pretty darn close to good. No one in either league was even close in making as many out of range plays as Tim. His arm + range make him above-average at worst.

We have no idea if he has the instincts to play CF, and plopping him out there could be a huge folly.
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Old 10-10-2018, 06:39 PM
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He was pretty darn close to good. No one in either league was even close in making as many out of range plays as Tim. His arm + range make him above-average at worst.

We have no idea if he has the instincts to play CF, and plopping him out there could be a huge folly.
Over this year, Tim transitioned from an amazing athlete playing shortstop, to a quality shortstop with amazing athletic ability.

Moving him off the position would be a mistake.
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Old 10-10-2018, 06:47 PM
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I think he is destined there either way. He has potential, but he was far from a good defensive SS last year. With his speed an arm, he could be an insanely good CF.

If the advanced metrics don't show Tim was a good defensive SS last year, then the advanced metrics are fatally flawed. Tim passed the eye test for good defensive SS.
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If the Sox land Machado (which I highly doubt) and he wants to play SS thats where he plays. Anderson has not earned the clout to do what Jeter did when the yanks got Arod.
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Old 10-10-2018, 07:05 PM
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Over this year, Tim transitioned from an amazing athlete playing shortstop, to a quality shortstop with amazing athletic ability.

Moving him off the position would be a mistake.

I agree he got better. (And if you are to believe him, Ozzie says he communicated with the Sox a flaw in Anderson's mechanics that might have led to the improvement...based off of Ozzie's weekly segment on the Score)
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Old 10-10-2018, 07:27 PM
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Machado is a defensive downgrade from Anderson at SS. I would just as soon sit this free agent period out and wait for Nolan Arenado. I would also be fine with just waiting out Nick Madrigalís development and seeing if he can play 2B. Of course, these plans are contingent on being OK with a bad season in 2019.
Not a huge one. Check their 2018 stats.
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