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Old 10-08-2018, 01:07 PM
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Don't like the broadcast crew? Go to the games, then you won't hear them.

Last time I checked, the broadcast crew does not actually play in the games. It is an exciting team that energies the fan base, not PBP and Color people.

Here is another take on the Sox which is clearly not in line with the thinking that some people here have about the team's approach to money:
https://soxon35th.com/2018/10/02/201...hite-sox-fans/
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Old 10-08-2018, 01:14 PM
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Don't like the broadcast crew? Go to the games, then you won't hear them.

Last time I checked, the broadcast crew does not actually play in the games. It is an exciting team that energies the fan base, not PBP and Color people.

Here is another take on the Sox which is clearly not in line with the thinking that some people here have about the team's approach to money:
https://soxon35th.com/2018/10/02/201...hite-sox-fans/
I stopped reading when the article listed the White Sox as an actual competitor in the Alex Rodriguez sweepstakes in 2000. Their offer was about 70 cents on the dollar when compared to what the Rangers offered.
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Old 10-08-2018, 01:37 PM
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When I read articles like that and questions are asked of Hahn, with 300+M being spent, I laugh. Only one guy in the Sox organization can answer that and its not Williams or Hahn.
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Old 10-08-2018, 03:19 PM
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I stopped reading when the article listed the White Sox as an actual competitor in the Alex Rodriguez sweepstakes in 2000. Their offer was about 70 cents on the dollar when compared to what the Rangers offered.
In that case, no one else was an actual competitor in the ARod sweepstakes, as the Sox’ offer was more in line with everyone else’s. In fact, the consensus reaction to the Texas signing was “they are going to pay him THAT much?!”
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Old 10-08-2018, 03:39 PM
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In that case, no one else was an actual competitor in the ARod sweepstakes, as the Sox’ offer was more in line with everyone else’s. In fact, the consensus reaction to the Texas signing was “they are going to pay him THAT much?!”
True, but I think that is where the bidding on Harper and Machado is headed. Like ARod, they will sign for amounts that make people—especially people in the White Sox front office—say “That is entirely too much to spend on one player!”
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Old 10-08-2018, 11:26 PM
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I'm another old fart who needs to get out of the way or at least shut up. I go back to the days of Brickhouse on TV and Bob Elson on the radio. As a rule, but not across the board I'm not fond of the modern day announcers in any sport. They tend to be bland and have cookie cutter voices and personalities on the air. As for Benetti, he has the announcer school voice but some individual idiosyncrasies that set him apart. I'm not crazy about Sox math and sticks and Stone but every announcer has the right to carve his own niche. I can't complain about cookie cutter announcing and then criticize a guy for doing something different. He is obviously very intelligent and witty but I found some of the repartee between him and Stone to be quite painful. I think he will be around for as long as he wants and the fans seem to like him quite a bit. I should also add that I've never heard him call anything but Sox baseball and I really should rectify that. Like I said I've been watching and listening to Sox baseball for over 6 decades, sometimes I can hear the voice of Bob Elson as I drift off to sleep just as I often did as a kid. Rooney and Farmer are all my all time favorite announcing duo. BTW, why no love for Farmer, he's local and loves the Sox too? Yeah, I know. He's not the greatest play by play guy.
You know it’s possible to have a discussion without someone being the victim. No one told anyone to shut up, go away or called anyone names in the post you quoted. The first sentence in your post detracts from the discussion and makes you sound like a martyr. Can you please stop doing that?
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Old 10-09-2018, 02:06 AM
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Same here, and he is well-regarded enough to do national broadcasts and football and basketball, to boot. The guy is a talent and I'm happy we have him.
I've heard him do football, and thought he was quite good. It clearly doesn't translate to baseball (IMHO.) He spends way too much time trying to be funny (he's not) and will get obsessed with something stupid (like tee shirt jerseys) and prattle on about it for a couple of innings.

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Huge improvement over Ken Harrelson.
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Old 10-09-2018, 03:58 AM
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Matter of opinion.

It really is.



There aren't many baseball announcers that I can enjoy because it's as much about them as the game, if not because of their voices. I strongly disliked Ken Harrelson, as an announcer long ago because of his ego. What I've heard of him more recently was much the same but slower. All that golf stuff bothered me immensely. Harry Caray with his energy sounded great after Bob Elson, but it didn't take long before his ego became grating. And thre were all those shout outs to Pete Vonachen for no apparent reason.



The A's announcers are simply awful. Ray Fosse, with all that baseball experience, catching no less, doesn't even know the rules. And he's so aggressive when he's so obviously wrong. There was a game against the White Sox early this spring where he was ripping on Renteria for not asking for an instant replay on a bad call in the forth or fifth inning a few hitters after Renteria lost a challenge on another bad call, taking replay out of the equation.



I always quite enjoyed Tom Paciorek's color and find Jon Miller, Duane Kuiper and Mike Krukow of the Giants a joy to listen to. Vin Scully and baseball were a perfect match. But some people prefer the ego. Better yet, if an announcer is cheering for your team, you might not care how weak he is at his craft. (Ron Santo comes to mind.)



The game should be the thing. An announcer should have some personality and even have moments of fun, but it should be about the game. It's funny, though, how much impact an announcer can have on enjoyment of a game.



One spring in the 1970s, a friend asked me one spring who would be the main catcher for the Sox in the upcoming season. I told him I thought it would be Bill Naharodny, visibly upsetting my friend. I told him Nahadrodny looked like he could be a good catcher, but my friend said skills behind the plate were not the issue.


He dreaded the thought of a summer hearing Harry Caray talking about what "Naharodny" was doing behind the plate.
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Old 10-09-2018, 09:05 AM
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I've heard him do football, and thought he was quite good. It clearly doesn't translate to baseball (IMHO.) He spends way too much time trying to be funny (he's not) and will get obsessed with something stupid (like tee shirt jerseys) and prattle on about it for a couple of innings.

Matter of opinion.
Welcome to baseball announcing. It’s a relatively relaxed game with about 500 hours of time to fill each season. What the hell is anyone going to talk about for 500 hours? Every pitched ball doesn’t need to be dissected, so there is lots and lots (and lots) of time to get off on tangents.
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Old 10-09-2018, 11:04 AM
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Welcome to baseball announcing. It’s a relatively relaxed game with about 500 hours of time to fill each season. What the hell is anyone going to talk about for 500 hours? Every pitched ball doesn’t need to be dissected, so there is lots and lots (and lots) of time to get off on tangents.
Jim Brockmire would be a good add.
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Old 10-09-2018, 11:36 AM
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Don't like the broadcast crew? Go to the games, then you won't hear them.

Last time I checked, the broadcast crew does not actually play in the games. It is an exciting team that energies the fan base, not PBP and Color people.

Here is another take on the Sox which is clearly not in line with the thinking that some people here have about the team's approach to money:
https://soxon35th.com/2018/10/02/201...hite-sox-fans/
This is not a reasonable alternative when you want to see your team play every game. What about the road games? Am I supposed to fly around the country for every game now?

I'm sure Benetti will be a bit more tolerable with a better product on the field, but even then the stupid questions and jokes to Stone will always be present. I would mute the game and listen to the radio, but they are usually not synced up because of the delay.
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Old 10-09-2018, 12:01 PM
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I stopped reading when the article listed the White Sox as an actual competitor in the Alex Rodriguez sweepstakes in 2000. Their offer was about 70 cents on the dollar when compared to what the Rangers offered.
Personally, it brought back too many harsh memories of the Rangers winning multiple championships with A-Rod and rubbing it in the faces of the White Sox, who were unable to contend in the mid-2000's because of an inability to sign free agents.
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Old 10-09-2018, 12:32 PM
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Personally, it brought back too many harsh memories of the Rangers winning multiple championships with A-Rod and rubbing it in the faces of the White Sox, who were unable to contend in the mid-2000's because of an inability to sign free agents.

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Old 10-09-2018, 12:51 PM
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The key need for the Sox is to develop 4-5 young studs. The Sox had a huge jumpstart with Sale, Eaton and Q to trade.
That's what the FO needs to deliver...then supplement. (of course if they can sign one of the elite guys, then fantastic). And within a reasonable timeframe (And yes I understand that many believe that it is unfair to hold Rick Hahn accountable for these matters).
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Old 10-09-2018, 02:51 PM
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The key need for the Sox is to develop 4-5 young studs. The Sox had a huge jumpstart with Sale, Eaton and Q to trade.
That's what the FO needs to deliver...then supplement. (of course if they can sign one of the elite guys, then fantastic). And within a reasonable timeframe (And yes I understand that many believe that it is unfair to hold Rick Hahn accountable for these matters).
1. What is a reasonable timeframe, in your opinion?


2. Which matters are people not holding Hahn accountable for? Better yet, how do we as fans hold anyone within the organization accountable when we literally have nothing to do with the day to day operations?


Also, you keep saying the Sox had a huge jump start with the players they traded. Well, jump start on what exactly? The players acquired were not ML ready. A few were close and have joined the team. Now they need to develop players, and unfortunately that is the part that takes time. Not every player develops at the same pace. Some players regress, some exceed and some just take longer than expected. So when you say jump start, what exactly does that mean? If your argument is going to be that they should have acquired more ML-ready talent when they traded those assets then ok, I can understand that. But that's not the direction they took.
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