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With all this talk recently of who is in on Darvish, I started to think that maybe the White Sox should be taking a long look at this guy. The free agent class of starting pitchers is not very good over the next 2 seasons and we aren't getting Kershaw. We will NOT win a world series with the group of young pitchers we have in the minors. As much as I love them and I think they are going to be great, you still need that veteran to lead your staff. Darvish may be that guy. I know I'm not real interested in having to give up a haul of prospects to get a Sale kind of pitcher when we are ready to win. Also, it is a little curious but Sale does become a free agent in 2020, I believe. Maybe that's our big signing??

What do you all think? I know it won't happen, but with the contracts that are out there this off season, we could potentially get Darvish on a 4 year contract and that wouldn't hurt the Sox at all.
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Also, it is a little curious but Sale does become a free agent in 2020, I believe. Maybe that's our big signing??
I seriously don't see Sale wanting to come back to the Sox.
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The outcomes of baseball games are too random for super-teams to consistently dominate the game the way they do in the NBA.
Bingo. In the NFL, one game=ten MLB games. A six game winning streak in the NFL is like a MLB team winning 60 in a row (impossible feat). In the NBA, with only five players on the floor at any given moment, it only takes two super studs and really good stud to dominate the game. In Basketball, you don't have the ability to do the equivalent of pitching around a hot hitter or wearing down a Clayton Kershaw to get the to Bullpen in the 7th or 8th to score your runs.

MLB has more superteams on paper than it does on the field.

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I seriously don't see Sale wanting to come back to the Sox.
I'm with Nellie on this one. I'm not sure I would want him back then. He will be 31 years old in 2020 and, if he is still a stud the Red Sox will have already given him an extension. I am also concerned that while he is in his 20's, he seems to run out of gas in mid August each season.
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With all this talk recently of who is in on Darvish, I started to think that maybe the White Sox should be taking a long look at this guy. The free agent class of starting pitchers is not very good over the next 2 seasons and we aren't getting Kershaw. We will NOT win a world series with the group of young pitchers we have in the minors. As much as I love them and I think they are going to be great, you still need that veteran to lead your staff. Darvish may be that guy. I know I'm not real interested in having to give up a haul of prospects to get a Sale kind of pitcher when we are ready to win. Also, it is a little curious but Sale does become a free agent in 2020, I believe. Maybe that's our big signing??

What do you all think? I know it won't happen, but with the contracts that are out there this off season, we could potentially get Darvish on a 4 year contract and that wouldn't hurt the Sox at all.
I don't agree with you on trying to acquire Darvish but your heart is in the right place. The team needs veteran pitchers. Still. I don't see JR spending any money on this team. The 2018 payroll will be lower than the 2017 payroll. And the 2019 payroll will be even lower than the 2018 payroll. Just remember, low payrolls equal more profits for JR and his investors. That's how I see this. I wish I felt differently but I don't.
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With all this talk recently of who is in on Darvish, I started to think that maybe the White Sox should be taking a long look at this guy. The free agent class of starting pitchers is not very good over the next 2 seasons and we aren't getting Kershaw. We will NOT win a world series with the group of young pitchers we have in the minors. As much as I love them and I think they are going to be great, you still need that veteran to lead your staff. Darvish may be that guy. I know I'm not real interested in having to give up a haul of prospects to get a Sale kind of pitcher when we are ready to win. Also, it is a little curious but Sale does become a free agent in 2020, I believe. Maybe that's our big signing??

What do you all think? I know it won't happen, but with the contracts that are out there this off season, we could potentially get Darvish on a 4 year contract and that wouldn't hurt the Sox at all.
As others have said, I don't see Sale coming back... ever. Great pitcher but immature. And, he runs out of gas late and forgets to pitch rather than throw when he gets angry.

I disagree about the need for a veteran starter at this point. You never know about injuries so one may be needed later but at the moment you have Kopech and Hansen looking like #1 type pitchers. Giolito easily slotting in at #3 and some mix of Cease (who I am warming up to), Lopez, Dunning, or Rodon (another top of the rotation type if he stays healthy) before you even get into the more run of the mill back of the rotation guys we have in the minors. They could be outstanding AND over loaded by 2020.

Typically I would agree with having a veteran to front all of that young talent but not in this case. I don't want anything slowing down or blocking any of those guys from getting their chance.

The bullpen on the other hand should have some veteran arms added in the next couple years.

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Reports are that the Yankees offered Clint Frazier but that the Pirates didn't like the secondary pieces. I think that's a mistake on the Pirates part. Quantity over quality doesn't work. I know not everyone is high on Frazier but unless one believes Musgrove is going to turn it around to become the starter previously expected I don't think there is much argument that Frazier is easily the better prospect.
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Yes, it’s too early to be adding a free agent starting pitcher.

We won’t be competing in 2018 and very likely not in 2019, either, although in 2019 we should definitely be improving.

Let’s see how our prospects and young players develop this year.
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Pirates have reached a deal to send McCutchen to SF.
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Pirates have reached a deal to send McCutchen to SF.
And the Pirates spiral down into oblivion (in the Cubs division no less...)

Nice pick up for the Giants though.
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I seriously don't see Sale wanting to come back to the Sox.
Not with the current state of retro uniforms!
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Pirates received a relief pitcher and a 22 year old outfielder who’s never played above A ball for McCutchen and they had to send $3 million to cover part of his salary. I know McCutchen’s best days are behind him, but that still seems light.

Teams are going to be lining up at the deadline trying to fleece them out of Rivero.
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