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Old 10-09-2019, 08:25 PM
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Old 10-10-2019, 06:45 AM
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Minimum payroll and or forfeiting of draft picks for 100 loss teams.
Nah. Minimum payroll can be met simply by giving young players more than the minimum and bonuses to former stars.

With the draft pick forfeiture, youíre just eliminating an avenue for perpetually bad teams to try and get good.

Methinks the incentive needs to be financial in nature. Take away their revenue-sharing money from the luxury tax instead. Roll that money over into MLB general funds. Or better yet, bump up the checks of the non-revenue-sharing teams that do spend.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:47 AM
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It can be argued Bryce was overpaid. Machado was not. And he's one player; making this argument is like saying Mike Trout is no good and overpaid because the Angels don't make the playoffs. This isn't the NBA where 1 single player can drag an entire team into the postseason. ...

The consensus in San Diego is that Machado is overpaid, not because his team finished last this season, but because you could get Machado's production for a fraction of the cost. To make that argument that Trout is overpaid, you would have to show that what he is being paid is keeping his team from paying for the other players they would need to win. That's a more nebulous case. Not only may it prove to be not true, but it would probably be an argument better to Machado and the Padres, an additional argument in the latter case.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:00 PM
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You could start by taking away first-round draft picks from teams that trade star players for prospects
Horrible idea, and just another backhanded shot at the Sox FO. This means you would need to have a definition of star player and then on top of that you want the league to dictate how a player of that caliber can be traded. In essence, you want the league to control how teams operate. Never gonna happen.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:42 PM
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Horrible idea, and just another backhanded shot at the Sox FO. This means you would need to have a definition of star player and then on top of that you want the league to dictate how a player of that caliber can be traded. In essence, you want the league to control how teams operate. Never gonna happen.
You're probably right that it will never happen, but it should. Coming up with definitions for trades that would cost teams draft picks could be worked out, short of a competition committee that would have to approve all trades. When I advocated this sort of thing in 2015, it wasn't a shot at the Sox front office, forehanded or backhanded. The problem with tanking has only grown worse, and it's a reason that, not just I, but many other Americans are watching less baseball.

Tanking is a serious problem. The NBA instituted the draft lottery because tanking was such a problem, and the lottery turned out to be such a problem that the league weighted it in such a way to make it mostly symbolic. Unlike baseball, though, the NBA has just just rounds in its amateur draft and has fewer players on the court/in the field and on the bench. Tanking is a serious problem, and the NBA has worked to convince people it isn't a problem, whether it really is or not.. If the baseball draft is the reason why baseball teams are tanking, things need to be done to address the problem.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:56 PM
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Nah. Minimum payroll can be met simply by giving young players more than the minimum and bonuses to former stars.

With the draft pick forfeiture, youíre just eliminating an avenue for perpetually bad teams to try and get good.

Methinks the incentive needs to be financial in nature. Take away their revenue-sharing money from the luxury tax instead. Roll that money over into MLB general funds. Or better yet, bump up the checks of the non-revenue-sharing teams that do spend.
Minimum payroll would be at least a step in the right direction as far as the MLBPA is concerned to not striking.

I'm more in favor of moving 100 loss teams back 10 spots in the first few rounds.

Taking away money from small market tanking teams also would just make it more difficult for them to sign/extend good players.
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Old 10-10-2019, 01:18 PM
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You know what? Tankers are gonna tank. Nothing can be done about it. Teams know the consequences of tanking (lower ticket and concession revenues) and the fact that, especially in the MLB draft, a high pick is not a sure thing.

Let the free market reign. The fans will decide if they supporting tanking.
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Old 10-10-2019, 01:29 PM
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You know what? Tankers are gonna tank. Nothing can be done about it. Teams know the consequences of tanking (lower ticket and concession revenues) and the fact that, especially in the MLB draft, a high pick is not a sure thing.

Let the free market reign. The fans will decide if they supporting tanking.
It's being discussed within the industry already, so I'd imagine at the very least small changes might take place.

The "nothing can be done about it" part is just not true. If the commissioners office, owners, and MLBPA agree upon changes then something is done about it.
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Old 10-10-2019, 01:53 PM
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It's being discussed within the industry already, so I'd imagine at the very least small changes might take place.

The "nothing can be done about it" part is just not true. If the commissioners office, owners, and MLBPA agree upon changes then something is done about it.
It has been going on ever since drafts were implemented. Tanking is nothing new. You can put "rules" in place, you can create "incentives" to not do it. It will happen anyway.
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Old 10-10-2019, 02:11 PM
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It has been going on ever since drafts were implemented. Tanking is nothing new. You can put "rules" in place, you can create "incentives" to not do it. It will happen anyway.

It will if it affects the popularity of the game. The NBA created the draft lottery because tanking was affecting the popularity of the NBA.

MLB actually promotes tanking by encouraging contenders to raid non-contending teams at the end of July. Returning the trade deadline to a few weeks before the All-Star Break would be a good first step to discourage tanking.
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