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Old 07-22-2019, 04:02 AM
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Obviously the San Diego Padres. (wasn't it their organization ribbing the White Sox about their failure to sign MM?) You know, the club that has turned it around and are challenging the Los Angeles Dodgers for the NL West supremacy.

To believe this guy would be setting the tone in the dugout on how the younger player should handle the ups and downs of a long season is daft.

“To those who are given the most, the most is expected.” - Barry Melrose

Sorry Barry, those words scarcely apply today...

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Old 07-22-2019, 04:40 AM
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Obviously the San Diego Padres. (wasn't it their organization ribbing the White Sox about their failure to sign MM?) You know, the club that has turned it around and are challenging the Los Angeles Dodgers for the NL West supremacy.

To believe this guy would be setting the tone in the dugout on how the younger player should handle the ups and downs of a long season is daft.

“To those who are given the most, the most is expected.” - Barry Melrose

Sorry Barry, those words scarcely apply today...

To be honest, I can take or leave the idea of player mentors and the rah-rah red-assed routine from coaches when it comes to baseball. Just give me the production, and save the swell fella and hometown hero tropes for visits to CPS schools and Little League diamonds.
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Old 07-22-2019, 09:41 AM
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To be honest, I can take or leave the idea of player mentors and the rah-rah red-assed routine from coaches when it comes to baseball. Just give me the production, and save the swell fella and hometown hero tropes for visits to CPS schools and Little League diamonds.

If MM gets $30/10 what does Baez get?
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Old 07-22-2019, 07:22 PM
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If MM gets $30/10 what does Baez get?
Baez will be nearly three years older when he enters free agency than Machado was when he entered free agency.

I think the 8/$250 that the White Sox were willing to guarantee to Machado would be a possibility. He may only get 7 years, though.
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Old 07-22-2019, 07:33 PM
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"To those who are given the most, the most is expected.” - Barry Melrose
I've seen so many versions of this attributed variously, I thought I would just cite one of the earlier English translations of the original: "But of everyone to whom much is given, much will be required." Luke 12:48

Nah, I'm no scripture expert -- this line was a perennial favorite among the many authority figures of my youth, especially at report card time.

Carry on with the baseball.

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Old 07-22-2019, 07:57 PM
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To be honest, I can take or leave the idea of player mentors and the rah-rah red-assed routine from coaches when it comes to baseball. Just give me the production, and save the swell fella and hometown hero tropes for visits to CPS schools and Little League diamonds.

It depends on how you choose to measure production.
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Old 07-22-2019, 08:12 PM
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It depends on how you choose to measure production.
Machado: production
Yolmer: not production
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Old 07-22-2019, 08:53 PM
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Machado: production
Yolmer: not production

I didn't realize you were using the Sanchez bar.
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Old 07-22-2019, 08:58 PM
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I didn't realize you were using the Sanchez bar.
That is who Machado would have replaced.
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Old 07-22-2019, 09:22 PM
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Carry on with the baseball.
Leadership and leading by example are important in baseball. At least it was in past eras. Now? Not so much.
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Old 07-22-2019, 09:39 PM
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Leadership and leading by example are important in baseball. At least it was in past eras. Now? Not so much.
With 25 guys in a roster, you’re going to get that from a few guys by default. It definitely should not be a reason to avoid a marquee free agent.

Machado’s 2.5 WAR would fit in quite nicely with Moncada and McCann, who are both at 2.7 WAR and lead the team. His 25 home runs would lead the team. His .847 OPS would be second on the team, behind only Moncada.
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Old 07-22-2019, 10:10 PM
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Except that WAR isn't really a measure of winning. Machado's numbers are pretty close to Moustakas' numbers, but it didn't take more than $300 million to sign Moustakas.
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Old 07-22-2019, 10:31 PM
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Except that WAR isn't really a measure of winning. Machado's numbers are pretty close to Moustakas' numbers, but it didn't take more than $300 million to sign Moustakas.
Nah, WAR is a good enough measure of winning.

It didn’t take $300 million to sign the Moose because he doesn’t defend anywhere near as well, he is three years older, and he has an inferior track record.
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Old 07-23-2019, 11:16 AM
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Should we start talking about the Cubs in the Machado thread now?
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Old 07-23-2019, 12:44 PM
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WAR is a statistical construct. Your successes can come when the game is no longer in doubt and your failures can come with the game on the line --consistently -- without it affecting your WAR. Your team even have to win. If it were a stat that divided up a team's actual wins the way 19th century whaling ships divided up the profit from a voyage, looking not just at the numbers but the importance of it would have more significance than WAR.

If you are looking to replace Sanchez, you could do it quite well for maybe double or triple what you are paying Sanchez. You cold have been more extravagant and signed Moustakas, who offensively is putting up about the same numbers as Machado this year for a fraction of the price. And he runs out ground balls.
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