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Old 09-07-2018, 06:25 PM
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A definite blow to the rebuild, that's for sure. It seems the young arms of today are very fragile. Maybe that's what happens when you're groomed to work only 5-6 good innings max beginning in pony league. Keeping a strict pitch count may also factor in. I know the game is different today. But how is it guys like Spahn, Ryan, Seaver, Drysdale, etc. would start every fourth day and normally stay in until the completion. It was their game to win or lose. Not unusual for these guys to throw 130, 140 pitches or more and be back out on the mound 4-5 days later.
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Old 09-07-2018, 06:26 PM
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Hard not to think it though......very disappointing.

We do have some solid guys on staff and coming up so in the end, we lose a marketing tool.....IMHO
Yeah, I mean he wasn't quite hitting the 100 we've heard about but he was consistently popping 98. Being late in year on a young arm I didnt suspect anything. But, again I want to know more about this soreness he's been experiencing.
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Old 09-07-2018, 06:27 PM
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A definite blow to the rebuild, that's for sure. It seems today's young arms are very fragile. Maybe that's what happens when you're groomed to work only 5-6 good innings max starting in pony league. Keeping a strict pitch count may also factor in. I know the game is different today. But how is it guys like Spahn, Ryan, Seaver, Drysdale, etc. would start every fourth day and normally stay in until the completion. It was their game to win or lose. Not unusual for these guys to throw 140, 140 pitches or more and be back out on the mound 4-5 days later.
It's obvious, at least to me, that whatever "precautions" they are taking with young flame throwers is pretty much worthless.
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Old 09-07-2018, 06:30 PM
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Makes you wonder if this is why Kopech and his agent were so vehement about getting him called up. Maybe they knew something was wrong and figured they could spend a year of team control recovering from the surgery rather than waiting until 2020 to start the clock.

Gosh you are sounding like one of us conspiracy fans, you better rest and get your head on straight again.
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Old 09-07-2018, 07:02 PM
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Gosh you are sounding like one of us conspiracy fans, you better rest and get your head on straight again.
I actually applaud them for doing it if so.
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Old 09-07-2018, 07:12 PM
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I actually applaud them for doing it if so.

True but conversely an organization that gets snookered is not a good organization.
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Old 09-07-2018, 07:28 PM
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Crap happens. Tough to prevent this injury the way these guys throw. Not anything any of the fans can do.
Maybe teach them how to pitch as opposed to throw.


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Giolito had TJS in High School, before he was drafted. He came back just as good if not better. He lost his 100 mph velocity so other way it appears as he's been healthy since.
Maybe if these guys focused on the art of pitching instead of trying to throw a baseball through an engine block everyone would be better off.

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But, again I want to know more about this soreness he's been experiencing.
Start asking questions to the right people.

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This is still in line. This is also why I hope the Sox arent messing with Dunning or Hansen. If they need surgery, now is the time.
I'd start asking questions about what events led up to these players having arm issues.
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Old 09-07-2018, 07:40 PM
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A definite blow to the rebuild, that's for sure.
if one pitcher going down is a blow to the rebuild, then there was no competent rebuild in the first place.
One pitcher - a rebuild needs 10-15 pitchers because this is what happens.
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Old 09-07-2018, 07:47 PM
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if one pitcher going down is a blow to the rebuild, then there was no competent rebuild in the first place.
One pitcher - a rebuild needs 10-15 pitchers because this is what happens.
It is a huge blow because Dunning, Hansen and Burdi are already hurt.
Out of the SP prospects who have a chance, it only leaves Adams, Medeiros and Cease that in all likelihood will be healthy for 2019. I'm currently expecting TJS for both Dunning and Hansen at some point in the next 12-15 months. If I was them and it was a distinct possibility, I would have just gotten it over with this year. They really need to see if they can trade Rodon for 3 pitchers this offseason. Hate to say it, but the window of Rodon being a part of this rebuild has been slammed shut. Maximize trade value at this point.
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Old 09-07-2018, 08:05 PM
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They really need to see if they can trade Rodon for 3 pitchers this offseason. Hate to say it, but the window of Rodon being a part of this rebuild has been slammed shut. Maximize trade value at this point.
You can't be serious. Are you really saying a 25-year-old lefty with ace potential should be dealt only because the younger pitchers are off track? I want to see him for a healthy year before making any rash decisions on him.
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Old 09-07-2018, 08:06 PM
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if one pitcher going down is a blow to the rebuild, then there was no competent rebuild in the first place.
One pitcher - a rebuild needs 10-15 pitchers because this is what happens.

In 2018:
  • Fulmer has struggled
  • Giolito is in the middle of reinventing himself
  • Dunning had arm issues
  • Alec Hansen had arm issues
  • Kade McClure suffered a knee injury


> 1 pitcher with injury/performance issues
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Old 09-07-2018, 08:22 PM
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Giolito had TJS in High School, before he was drafted. He came back just as good if not better. He lost his 100 mph velocity so other way it appears as he's been healthy since.
He had TJS as a pro, after being drafted.
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Old 09-07-2018, 08:28 PM
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In 2018:
  • Fulmer has struggled
  • Giolito is in the middle of reinventing himself
  • Dunning had arm issues
  • Alec Hansen had arm issues
  • Kade McClure suffered a knee injury


> 1 pitcher with injury/performance issues

Jimmy Lambert never came back after his injury, I believe his was oblique. But he was dominating when he went down.

Burdi lost last season to TJ.


Just a lot of bad luck with the bulk of our pitching prospects.
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Old 09-07-2018, 08:59 PM
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A definite blow to the rebuild, that's for sure. It seems the young arms of today are very fragile. Maybe that's what happens when you're groomed to work only 5-6 good innings max beginning in pony league. Keeping a strict pitch count may also factor in. I know the game is different today. But how is it guys like Spahn, Ryan, Seaver, Drysdale, etc. would start every fourth day and normally stay in until the completion. It was their game to win or lose. Not unusual for these guys to throw 130, 140 pitches or more and be back out on the mound 4-5 days later.
Those guys threw fewer stressful pitches over the course of a season/career, as the league was filled with more .205 BA defensive specialists, slap hitters, there was more bunting, etc. Nowadays everyone's got at least 20 HRs in them it seems. Mistakes are costlier.
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Old 09-07-2018, 09:19 PM
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This was the one aspect of the rebuild I hated. Building around pitching and not offense. Pitching isn’t hard to find these days. But it also no longer lasts with the workloads and velocity regimes kids have these days .
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