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Old 09-07-2018, 05:01 PM
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Barring some unforeseen injury with Cease, this places both of them at a start date of 2020. I would not call up Cease any sooner than that. I also hope we didn't make a mistake with Dunning or Hansen by not having them go through surgery.
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Okay - so folks come back from this - but how's their velocity?
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Old 09-07-2018, 05:04 PM
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Why can't we have anything nice?
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the Sox started the clock a month too early. thats why you wait
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Old 09-07-2018, 05:05 PM
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Why can't we have anything nice?
Because we're White Sox fans who are refusing to root for the beloved Cubbies along with the rest of the world, and this is our penance.
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Old 09-07-2018, 05:06 PM
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Maybe it won't be so bad...

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Old 09-07-2018, 05:08 PM
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Okay - so folks come back from this - but how's their velocity?
Velocity will not be the issue. It will take time for him go regain the control he found. TJS is so successful that it helps pitchers more than it hurfs.
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Old 09-07-2018, 05:10 PM
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This is why you draft and trade for 200% more pitching than you need. More likely to get hurt, more likely to bust.

The last three pitching prospects as hyped as Kopech was were Alex Reyes, Julio Urias, and Lucas Giolito. Guess what they all have in common? Just a part of the game these days.

It sucks that all these injuries are hitting the young guys, but better now than later. Anyway, a core 4 of Lopez, Gio, Rodon and maybe Adams could still be pretty solid next year. And who knows maybe Dunning or Cease make the leap sometime next summer. Plus the bullpen should be hot fire. I don't think this kills the Sox' chances to be competitive (by that I mean a .500 team) in 2019. This year and next are supposed to be momentum builders with young guys steadily making the jump and moving toward 2020 and beyond, and despite the stumbles that still seems to be the trajectory.
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the Sox started the clock a month too early. thats why you wait
A year and a half of control down the drain, if not more with possible minor league time.
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Old 09-07-2018, 05:14 PM
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Horrible news. That being said, hes young and UCL repair is usually a very successful procedure. Hahn has acquired many young,talented players and this organization has been built for success in the long term.
It gets to a point where saying these same words after every setback, and boy have their been so many, just doesn't mean anything.

It's Michael ****ing Kopech

Arguably the best pitching prospect in the game. I don't care how much depth we as Sox fans feel the Sox have built, these types of talents are not replaceable. Just like Moncada's struggles have been magnified, it's important for your elite prospects not to flop in order to have a successful rebuild. Especially coming from where the Sox started here which basically from the ground up


There is no telling how good Kopech will be after this. I don't care how common this injury is and the process. Every player is different and there is a mental hurdle to get over this. Lucas Giolito is still not back from his and it doesn't appear he will ever reach the potential of what he could have been.


Terrible day for the Sox rebuild.
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Folks, I have gone through all five stages of grief in record time and am happy to say that I am now back into enthusiasm.

I was hoping on seeing Adams or Stephens get the call next year. Now it is likely that both do.
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It took them five years of losing.
We're almost on year 11 of losing.
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A year and a half of control down the drain, if not more with possible minor league time.

To put a few fans in the park and to amp up some chuckle heads.
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Old 09-07-2018, 05:17 PM
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Big gut punch. Best way to look at it is to hope that the extra rotation spot allows someone unexpected to step up and perhaps leave us better off in the long run.
The problem is this is what fans of losing teams say when there's really no clear-cut answer. This is the Sox, especially with Cease not ready yet. The fact that it now might take even longer for the rebuild to bear fruit really upsets me. I don't think Kopech will be all the way back in 2020, and who knows how the young talent will be by then? So much uncertainty all of a sudden, and it sucks.
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Old 09-07-2018, 05:19 PM
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It gets to a point where saying these same words after every setback, and boy have their been so many, just doesn't mean anything.

It's Michael ****ing Kopech

Arguably the best pitching prospect in the game. I don't care how much depth we as Sox fans feel the Sox have built, these types of talents are not replaceable. Just like Moncada's struggles have been magnified, it's important for your elite prospects not to flop in order to have a successful rebuild. Especially coming from where the Sox started here which basically from the ground up


There is no telling how good Kopech will be after this. I don't care how common this injury is and the process. Every player is different and there is a mental hurdle to get over this. Lucas Giolito is still not back from his and it doesn't appear he will ever reach the potential of what he could have been.


Terrible day for the Sox rebuild.
Giolito had TJS in High School, before he was drafted. He came back just as good if not better. He lost his 100 mph velocity so other way it appears as he's been healthy since.
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