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Old 02-10-2020, 04:06 PM
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Ross Stripling would be the No. 2 or 3 starter on this team.
I say get Stripling and Pederson as the Dodgers were trying to move both of them for a minimum prospect in the Angels trade that fell through.
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Old 02-10-2020, 07:16 PM
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Ross Stripling would be the No. 2 or 3 starter on this team.
Stripling would be useful. Pederson makes no sense.

I wonder what the price is for Stripling alone.
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Old 02-10-2020, 07:19 PM
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I say get Stripling and Pederson as the Dodgers were trying to move both of them for a minimum prospect in the Angels trade that fell through.
Problem is Rengifo isn't a minimum prospect.
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Old 02-10-2020, 07:27 PM
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Problem is Rengifo isn't a minimum prospect.
Doesn't look like one. He's 22 and already played almost a full season in the majors after ripping through the minors. He plays SS and 3B.
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Old 02-11-2020, 05:43 PM
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I wonder if the Mets would still be interested in Lindor...

If we could help them land Lindor by taking one of their bad contracts—and snag one of their good prospects as our service fee at the same time—that would be pretty awesome.
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Old 02-11-2020, 06:00 PM
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I wonder if the Mets would still be interested in Lindor...

If we could help them land Lindor by taking one of their bad contracts—and snag one of their good prospects as our service fee at the same time—that would be pretty awesome.
I like the way you keep digging for opportunities to leverage our relatively low payroll to replenish our prospect base- most of the rankings I've seen have the Mets in the bottom 3rd of farm systems overall and their top prospects are at SS, C and 3rd base where we're pretty set for a while- so I don't know if they're the best match for us.

Pitching and/or a RF who can hit and play solid defense would be worth the effort.
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Old 02-11-2020, 07:35 PM
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I like the way you keep digging for opportunities to leverage our relatively low payroll to replenish our prospect base- most of the rankings I've seen have the Mets in the bottom 3rd of farm systems overall and their top prospects are at SS, C and 3rd base where we're pretty set for a while- so I don't know if they're the best match for us.

Pitching and/or a RF who can hit and play solid defense would be worth the effort.
I really like the idea of Lindor leaving the Tribe. I think that would move them out of the running for the AL Central.
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Old 02-11-2020, 08:16 PM
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I like the way you keep digging for opportunities to leverage our relatively low payroll to replenish our prospect base- most of the rankings I've seen have the Mets in the bottom 3rd of farm systems overall and their top prospects are at SS, C and 3rd base where we're pretty set for a while- so I don't know if they're the best match for us.

Pitching and/or a RF who can hit and play solid defense would be worth the effort.
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I really like the idea of Lindor leaving the Tribe. I think that would move them out of the running for the AL Central.
Seems like we need a four-team deal, where the Tribe white flags it and gives up Lindor in exchange for prospects who are years away, the Mets get Lindor, some other team gets the Mets prospects who aren’t a good fit for us, and we get MLB-ready pitching in exchange for absorbing payroll and some of our seemingly superfluous position player prospect depth.
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Old 02-11-2020, 08:36 PM
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Seems like we need a four-team deal, where the Tribe white flags it and gives up Lindor in exchange for prospects who are years away, the Mets get Lindor, some other team gets the Mets prospects who aren’t a good fit for us, and we get MLB-ready pitching in exchange for absorbing payroll and some of our seemingly superfluous position player prospect depth.
This farm system is poised to drop rapidly in quality. Some prospects who are higher ceiling but farther away from the majors would still be a welcome addition.
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Old 02-11-2020, 09:42 PM
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This farm system is poised to drop rapidly in quality. Some prospects who are higher ceiling but farther away from the majors would still be a welcome addition.
That’s true and fair, but I think MLB-ready pitching probably helps us more as we strive to compete with Minnesota.
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Old 02-11-2020, 10:06 PM
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That’s true and fair, but I think MLB-ready pitching probably helps us more as we strive to compete with Minnesota.
Sure, but who is trading MLB-ready pitching these days?
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Old 02-12-2020, 09:20 PM
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Sure, but who is trading MLB-ready pitching these days?
We're growing our own: Stiever, Dunning, Kopech, Cease improvement. Trading any of those guys for a hitter is just another clownshow. We need pitching to win and those are our guys to for this org. to turn the corner.


Yes there's a drop off in the farm; but there always seems to be more talent than it appears (although they didn't know it last go round).
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We're growing our own: Stiever, Dunning, Kopech, Cease improvement. Trading any of those guys for a hitter is just another clownshow. We need pitching to win and those are our guys to for this org. to turn the corner.


Yes there's a drop off in the farm; but there always seems to be more talent than it appears (although they didn't know it last go round).
This is pretty much how I feel about it. Our player development of the recent past would look a lot better if we hadn't traded away Tatis, Semien, and Montas for declining, aging vets who didn't help this team much.

The 4 pitchers you mention could form a good core of pitching talent if they can stay healthy. If we're looking for high ceiling talent lower in the minors, at least we've got Thompson, Dalquist, and (reportedly) Vera out of Cuba.
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Old 02-13-2020, 04:39 PM
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This is pretty much how I feel about it. Our player development of the recent past would look a lot better if we hadn't traded away Tatis, Semien, and Montas for declining, aging vets who didn't help this team much.

The 4 pitchers you mention could form a good core of pitching talent if they can stay healthy. If we're looking for high ceiling talent lower in the minors, at least we've got Thompson, Dalquist, and (reportedly) Vera out of Cuba.
Yeah, we have 4 of those FV 40, FV 40+ guys who still profile as starters. We also have a guy in Dunning who is even better than that.

You know what is better than having 4 of those Stiever/Thompson/Dalquist/Vera types? Having 6 of them.

This team definitely could use a backup 2B/SS to make starts and buy time until Madrigal gets promoted. This team definitely could use another LH reliever to add to the mix. The Mets can provide the middle infielder (Jed Lowrie) and maybe send over a guy like David Peterson. The Rockies can provide the LH reliever (Jake McGee) and maybe send over a guy like Riley Pint.

If those guys produce anything like they have produced in the past, they are much better options than Leury Garcia or Jace Fry. Fry moves from 2nd bullpen lefty to 3rd bullpen lefty. Ideally, Leury gets traded, but if not, they can always shed about 74% of his salary, since arbitration contracts are non-guaranteed.
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Old 02-14-2020, 09:05 AM
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Yeah, we have 4 of those FV 40, FV 40+ guys who still profile as starters. We also have a guy in Dunning who is even better than that.

You know what is better than having 4 of those Stiever/Thompson/Dalquist/Vera types? Having 6 of them.

This team definitely could use a backup 2B/SS to make starts and buy time until Madrigal gets promoted. This team definitely could use another LH reliever to add to the mix. The Mets can provide the middle infielder (Jed Lowrie) and maybe send over a guy like David Peterson. The Rockies can provide the LH reliever (Jake McGee) and maybe send over a guy like Riley Pint.

If those guys produce anything like they have produced in the past, they are much better options than Leury Garcia or Jace Fry. Fry moves from 2nd bullpen lefty to 3rd bullpen lefty. Ideally, Leury gets traded, but if not, they can always shed about 74% of his salary, since arbitration contracts are non-guaranteed.
Fry's s innings pitched and division between LH and RH batters faced were nearly identical in 2018 and 2019. But he basically doubled his walks allowed. Still, he has yet to allow a HR to a LH hitter in his career. I'd probably be just as comfortable with him as with hoping that McGee's problems are all Colorado related (his road numbers were less than exemplary as well)
In the era of 3 batter minimum, not sure that the "handness" of relievers makes much difference anyway.
I guess the Sox could get a veteran infielder; but the help there would be marginal, and I certainly wouldn't trade any pitching for it.
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