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Old 02-22-2018, 08:28 AM
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He still could, but with the influx of SP youth, he's really going to have to blow people away to regain his footing as a starter.
He had a pretty good run to finish the season on the major league team last year. If that continues I'd expect his ceiling to be high-caliber trade-bait before they converted him to a dime-a-dozen setup man.
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Old 02-22-2018, 08:29 AM
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He still could, but with the influx of SP youth, he's really going to have to blow people away to regain his footing as a starter.
Agreed, but that says more about the state of the system than it does about Fulmer.
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Old 02-22-2018, 08:32 AM
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Fulmer's ceiling (in other words, best possible outcome) is set up man? Wow! I thought he at least still had a shot at being a decent starter. Not that he couldn't very well end up in the pen, but I didn't realize the door for being a starter has already closed for him.
It depends who you ask. To a lot of people, his ceiling is a very good back end RP. Others still think he can start.

Its hard to really define a ceiling. In theory, literally ANY pitcher has the ceiling to be a HOF pitcher.

Look at Eric Gagne, Wade Davis, guys who were total busts as SP who go on to be lights out RP (plenty of others).

So with Fulmer, its hard to tell. He has a very funky motion, and unlike Sale, he has a hard time repeating his for strikes. He also doesn't seem to generally know where a pitch is going to go. It isn't that he can't throw strikes, but more, he misses in the zone a ton.

The problem Carson has now is a numbers game -

Lets say that Shields Gonzalez and Santiago are locks for the rotation... You have Gio, Fulmer and Lopez with a chance Rodon is back, where does he fit? And if he flourishes in the back end of the bullpen, do you risk taking him out?
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Old 02-22-2018, 08:40 AM
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He had a pretty good run to finish the season on the major league team last year. If that continues I'd expect his ceiling to be high-caliber trade-bait before they converted him to a dime-a-dozen setup man.
If the "too many quality starters problem" forces Fulmer to the bullpen, he certainly still has the ceiling to become an Andrew Miller-type "fireman" reliever who can come in and lock down up to 3 innings, by going max effort with his two best pitches one time through a lineup. That kind of reliever is certainly not "dime-a-dozen."

I realize not everyone will make it, but a possible rotation of Kopech, Hansen, Rodon, Giolito and Lopez, with Burdi and Cease both dealing closer-quality stuff, Fulmer as the fireman, and Dunning as the 6th starter/long reliever, is one hell of a nice dream.
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Old 02-22-2018, 01:42 PM
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It depends who you ask. To a lot of people, his ceiling is a very good back end RP. Others still think he can start.

Its hard to really define a ceiling. In theory, literally ANY pitcher has the ceiling to be a HOF pitcher.

Look at Eric Gagne, Wade Davis, guys who were total busts as SP who go on to be lights out RP (plenty of others).

So with Fulmer, its hard to tell. He has a very funky motion, and unlike Sale, he has a hard time repeating his for strikes. He also doesn't seem to generally know where a pitch is going to go. It isn't that he can't throw strikes, but more, he misses in the zone a ton.

The problem Carson has now is a numbers game -

Lets say that Shields Gonzalez and Santiago are locks for the rotation... You have Gio, Fulmer and Lopez with a chance Rodon is back, where does he fit? And if he flourishes in the back end of the bullpen, do you risk taking him out?
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He had a pretty good run to finish the season on the major league team last year. If that continues I'd expect his ceiling to be high-caliber trade-bait before they converted him to a dime-a-dozen setup man.
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If the "too many quality starters problem" forces Fulmer to the bullpen, he certainly still has the ceiling to become an Andrew Miller-type "fireman" reliever who can come in and lock down up to 3 innings, by going max effort with his two best pitches one time through a lineup. That kind of reliever is certainly not "dime-a-dozen."

I realize not everyone will make it, but a possible rotation of Kopech, Hansen, Rodon, Giolito and Lopez, with Burdi and Cease both dealing closer-quality stuff, Fulmer as the fireman, and Dunning as the 6th starter/long reliever, is one hell of a nice dream.
Good discussion on Fulmer and great points all round. For the sake of argument, however, if he looks impressive as a starter in spring, I doubt he'll be roadblocked from the rotation by Shields, Gonzalez, and Santiago. They'll find a spot for him to start the season somehow in that scenario. Players could be traded for other quality talent if all our starting pitching options pitch well and stay healthy this year.

That's not to say that he won't ultimately end up in the bullpen if he proves to be an effective reliever. We'll need talented arms in the pen, too, when this team competes again in a couple of years.

Overall, a good problem to have for this team. I can't wait to see how it all plays out this year.
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