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Old 10-14-2007, 08:57 AM
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Default With the first pick in the 1985 draft the Chicago White Sox select....

Kurt Brown at # 5

Barry Bonds was selected by the Pirates with the #6 pick.

Could you imagine Bonds playing RF and hitting behind Hurt in the line up...whoa.

The Sox did get Thigy, Wayne Edwards and Donn Pall out of that draft.
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Old 10-14-2007, 09:22 AM
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Could you imagine Bonds playing RF and hitting behind Hurt in the line up...whoa.
Too speculative. You're assuming that even with Barroid, the Sox would have had the same draft pick in 1989 when they picked Frank. This means Barroid would have had no impact whatsoever on the Sox' performance in 1986, 1987 or 1988 (he debuted in 1986).
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Old 10-14-2007, 09:26 AM
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Kurt Brown at # 5

Barry Bonds was selected by the Pirates with the #6 pick.

Could you imagine Bonds playing RF and hitting behind Hurt in the line up...whoa.

The Sox did get Thigy, Wayne Edwards and Donn Pall out of that draft.
At that point in his career, assuming everything went about the same as it did in Pittsburgh, Bonds would have been leading off or at the top of the order somewhere, not hitting behind Frank. Still, it would have been nice to have had him rather than Kurt Brown.
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Old 10-14-2007, 09:29 AM
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Pure speculation. Oh sure, if certain things happened, it might of been cool to see Bonds and Thomas on the same team.

Granted, Barry wouldn't of done steriods allegedly.



Things happen for a reason. I for one am glad that the Sox are NOT a part of the history that Barry Bonds has written.

Bad enough we had Jose Conseco for a while.
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Old 10-14-2007, 09:49 AM
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What if we drafted Roger Clemens in 1983 instead of Joel Davis?
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Old 10-14-2007, 10:17 AM
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What if we drafted Roger Clemens in 1983 instead of Joel Davis?
He would be insisting that he go into the Hall of Fame with a Yankees cap, not a White Sox cap.
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Old 10-14-2007, 10:49 AM
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Kurt Brown at # 5

Barry Bonds was selected by the Pirates with the #6 pick.

Could you imagine Bonds playing RF and hitting behind Hurt in the line up...whoa.

The Sox did get Thigy, Wayne Edwards and Donn Pall out of that draft.
Not this again. He was selected at #6, which means four other teams besides
the White Sox passed on him.

In fact, you could fill a large book with names of players who were drafted
low and went on to be stars, while guys drafted higher never went
anywhere. Steve Chillcott, anyone?
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Old 10-14-2007, 12:11 PM
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And if (as Jack McDowell stated in his WSI Interview) the Sox signed Mark McGuire who wanted to come here after the 1991 season, perhaps they don't trade Sosa, instead keeping him down in the order, allowing him time to develop.

With that scenario you have a lineup that includes Ventura, Thomas, McGuire and Sosa.



You can 'speculate' about anything. I guess I just fail to see this particular point.

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Old 10-14-2007, 12:24 PM
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Too speculative. You're assuming that even with Barroid, the Sox would have had the same draft pick in 1989 when they picked Frank. This means Barroid would have had no impact whatsoever on the Sox' performance in 1986, 1987 or 1988 (he debuted in 1986).
I made this point the last time this speculation appeared in a WSI thread. If Barry Bonds had only meant an improvement of a few games in 1988, Frank Thomas quite possibly could have been drafted by the Cubs, who drafted one spot behind the Sox in 1989.

Barry Bonds was a big star at Arizona State University. He wasn't under any scout's radar. If the Sox didn't draft him, it may have had something to do with Bobby Bonds' experience with the White Sox less than a decade earlier.

Overall, the Sox are probably better off never having had the younger Bonds under contract.
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Old 10-14-2007, 03:37 PM
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We could have signed Bonds and Clemens as free agents. We thought Belle and Navarro were worth the same amount of money.
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Old 10-14-2007, 03:39 PM
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I made this point the last time this speculation appeared in a WSI thread. If Barry Bonds had only meant an improvement of a few games in 1988, Frank Thomas quite possibly could have been drafted by the Cubs, who drafted one spot behind the Sox in 1989.
I think it's interesting how well the Sox have faired over the last 20+ years in (mostly) maintaining a competitive roster and a winning record in spite of never getting the high draft picks that perennial 90-loss franchises are picking up year after lovable losing year.

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Old 10-14-2007, 04:28 PM
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Too speculative. You're assuming that even with Barroid, the Sox would have had the same draft pick in 1989 when they picked Frank. This means Barroid would have had no impact whatsoever on the Sox' performance in 1986, 1987 or 1988 (he debuted in 1986).
It is interesting to think how the regrets the Sox have had may have led to better things long term. Reasons like this are why I don't like to see a team change Managers or GM's too early, 'cause three-four years isn't enough to evaluate what they can do. Out of frustration, I was for the Grossman switch when it happened. But now there's the same questions as before we went to Brian. And the Bears gave up on a long term solution.
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I think it's interesting how well the Sox have faired over the last 20+ years in (mostly) maintaining a competitive roster and a winning record in spite of never getting the high draft picks that perennial 90-loss franchises are picking up year after lovable losing year.

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Old 10-14-2007, 08:41 PM
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...and then there's the fact that Joe Montana was drafted in the Third Round meaning the Bears passed on him two or three times. Woulda, coulda, shoulda....
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Old 10-15-2007, 03:00 AM
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We could have signed Bonds and Clemens as free agents. We thought Belle and Navarro were worth the same amount of money.
Some of your anger may derive from misperception. Your premise is flawed.

The White Sox signed Albert Belle to a five-year $55 million contract before the 1997 season. During the same off-season, they signed Jaime Navarro to a four-year $20 million contract. Some people believe the Sox had a choice of signing Navarro and Roger Clemens for the same money, but the Blue Jays signed Clemens that off-season to a four-year $40 million contract

The White Sox didn't pursue Barry Bonds before the 1997 season because Frank Thomas said he said he wanted the Sox to sign Belle. Belle's $11 per year made him the highest player in baseball. Clemens was averaging $10 a year after signing with the Blue Jays, so he wasn't that far behind. After signing Belle (and it's conceivable they could have signed Bonds for the same money, I guess), Navarro may have been affordable. Clemens was not.
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