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Old 11-04-2006, 08:50 AM
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Icon12 Crosstown Classic Question - help?

Hello! My grandmother just posed a question to me and I'm not sure what the answer is, so I figured someone on here may know...

For the Crosstown Classic Game that was played prior to interleague play, was it played in 1974 (that's before my time, but I'm pretty sure it was) and if so, what was the score/outcome of it?

If anyone knows the answers and doesn't mind posting, it would make one south side grandma very happy ;) THANKS!
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Old 11-04-2006, 09:34 AM
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For the Crosstown Classic Game that was played prior to interleague play, was it played in 1974 (that's before my time, but I'm pretty sure it was) and if so, what was the score/outcome of it?
That's a great question. Lindberg's Total White Sox book only has the results of the City Series up until 1942. I don't know where you would find the results for all of the exhbiition games. The first one I remember was in '81 (I think it was a two game series). Then they brought it back in '85, and I think the last one may have been '94 (Jordan played at Wrigley).
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Old 11-04-2006, 10:46 AM
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The 'Crosstown Classic' (later renamed the 'Windy City Classic') sponsored by Busch Beer made it's debut in Comiskey Park in April 1985. The series was played every season through 1995 when two games were played as part of the team's getting back in shape from the labor impasse.

Here's the significant point....in the 12 games played the Sox NEVER LOST. They went 10-0-2.

Yes in 1994 MJ hit a double late in the game at Wrigley to tie the score and keep the Sox from losing.

Another big moment happened in 1993 when at Comiskey Park the Sox rallied in the 9th inning to win thanks to Bo Jackson.

Ron Karkovice and Bobby Bonilla (yes the same guy) also had big games in 1990 and 1986 respectively, both at Wrigley.

Dave Gallagher threw out at home the tying runner in the 9th inning with two outs to seal the Sox 6-5 win in 1990 and that was also the same game where Steve 'Psycho' Lyons played all nine positions during the contest.

I have the games from 1986, 1990 and 1992 on tape.

Why did the series end? No one knows for sure but there was an unconfirmed rumor at the time that it was the Cubs who decided the series had run its course.

Here are the scores that I found without much trouble:

1985- Comiskey Park, Sox-7, Cubs-4
1986- Wrigley Field, Sox-3, Cubs-0
1990- Wrigley Field, Sox-6, Cubs-5
1992- Wrigley Field, Sox-5, Cubs-0

The two games played in 1981 after the labor impasse was solved and teams were granted a few exhibition games to get back in shape was not part of this series.

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Old 11-04-2006, 12:26 PM
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This is a very vague recollection of mine, and could be inaccurate-

I remember attending a Sox vs. Cubs exhibition game at old Comiskey around this time (I'm betting it had to be either '73 or '74).

The Cubs beat the Sox 1-0. Billy Williams hit a solo shot off Wilbur Wood for the only scoring.

This sticks in my mind for a couple of reasons-It was the first time I ever went to a night game (my dad always used to take me to weekend day games), and I remember being surprised that the scoreboard exploded for Williams' HR.

Again, I have no source for this other than my memory. But I was totally into the White Sox at that point in my life, and for some reason some of these stupid memories have stuck.
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Old 11-04-2006, 02:05 PM
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In the 60's there was a once a year exhibition game between the Sox and Cubs called the Boys Benefit Game. My recollection is that it was always a huge deal and was always played at Comiskey. I don't recall that it was played into the 70's
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Old 11-04-2006, 02:18 PM
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The Sox and Cubs played midseason exhibitions at least some years in the 1960s and 1970s. The Boys Benefit Game may have gone back to the 1950s. I think it was played for more than 20 years, for charity. It was the first game I went to, probably in 1964 -- perhaps earlier, but certainly no later. The scoreboard exploded every time either team scored and they had two 7th inning stretches. The Sox won the game 7-2 at Comiskey, where the game was almost always played because of its larger capacity. Because the proceeds benefited youth baseball in Chicago, there was no television. I remember listening on the radio to the 1969 or 1970 game, with Ernie Banks starting at shortstop for the Cubs and making an error. Minor leaguers pitched because it was midseason. Billy Williams hit a 2-run homer in a 2-0 Cubs win.

The Cubs had a winning streak until maybe 1971 or 1972, when the game was played at Wrigley Field. As usual, I was out of the area on vacation when the game was played, but a friend (who went to a bunch of Boys Benefit games and saw the Billy Williams mammoth home run -- I really should e-mail him) went to the game and saw the White Sox win. He said Jay Johnstone hit a home run, so it couldn't have been in 1973 or 1974.

I don't know what happened to the game. I don't remember it being played in 1974, when Ron Santo was on the Sox. It just stopped being played.
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Old 11-04-2006, 04:07 PM
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I was at the 1964 game,it was the biggest crowd in the history of old Comiskey. It was standing room only with people sitting in the aisles and also 10 deep on the warning track from center field to the right field foul pole. In the game which the Sox won, the Cubs were given home team status and batted last(didnt matter). There is a picture of the crowd in Linberghs Pictorial History Of The White Sox printed in 1979.
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Old 11-04-2006, 05:53 PM
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The 'Crosstown Classic' (later renamed the 'Windy City Classic') sponsored by Busch Beer made it's debut in Comiskey Park in April 1985. The series was played every season through 1995 when two games were played as part of the team's getting back in shape from the labor impasse.
Do you remember the '87 game? It was a night game at Old Comiskey, and the fog rolled in around the 3rd inning and made it almost impossible to see the ball in the outfield.

I'm trying to remember what minor league pitcher got the start for the Sox. It may have been Tom Drees.
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Do you remember the '87 game? It was a night game at Old Comiskey, and the fog rolled in around the 3rd inning and made it almost impossible to see the ball in the outfield.

I'm trying to remember what minor league pitcher got the start for the Sox. It may have been Tom Drees.
I thought it was Ralph Citarella. I think Walker almost hit one into the CF bleachers and Fisk and Darryl Boston also homered in that game.
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The Sox and Cubs played midseason exhibitions at least some years in the 1960s and 1970s. The Boys Benefit Game may have gone back to the 1950s. I think it was played for more than 20 years, for charity. It was the first game I went to, probably in 1964 -- perhaps earlier, but certainly no later. The scoreboard exploded every time either team scored and they had two 7th inning stretches. The Sox won the game 7-2 at Comiskey, where the game was almost always played because of its larger capacity. Because the proceeds benefited youth baseball in Chicago, there was no television. I remember listening on the radio to the 1969 or 1970 game, with Ernie Banks starting at shortstop for the Cubs and making an error. Minor leaguers pitched because it was midseason. Billy Williams hit a 2-run homer in a 2-0 Cubs win.

The Cubs had a winning streak until maybe 1971 or 1972, when the game was played at Wrigley Field. As usual, I was out of the area on vacation when the game was played, but a friend (who went to a bunch of Boys Benefit games and saw the Billy Williams mammoth home run -- I really should e-mail him) went to the game and saw the White Sox win. He said Jay Johnstone hit a home run, so it couldn't have been in 1973 or 1974.

I don't know what happened to the game. I don't remember it being played in 1974, when Ron Santo was on the Sox. It just stopped being played.
Jay Johnstone and Rich McKinney hit HR's in that game, it was 1971, Sox won 7-3. They played the next season at Comiskey, Cubs won, I think it was 3-1. I don't think they played again until 1985.
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Old 11-04-2006, 06:06 PM
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I thought it was Ralph Citarella. I think Walker almost hit one into the CF bleachers and Fisk and Darryl Boston also homered in that game.
You're right about Citarella, he had been in the Cardinals organization. Walker hit a popup to short CF in that game, and was lost in the fog for a double.
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I thought it was Ralph Citarella. I think Walker almost hit one into the CF bleachers and Fisk and Darryl Boston also homered in that game.
May have been Citarella. The name doesn't ring a bell though.

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You're right about Citarella, he had been in the Cardinals organization. Walker hit a popup to short CF in that game, and was lost in the fog for a double.
Bruce Wolf did commentary with Don Drysdale and Frank Messmer for an inning too. I think it was broadcast on Channel 32, and they were trying to let Wolf plug the new Ch 32 news show.
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The 'Crosstown Classic' (later renamed the 'Windy City Classic') sponsored by Busch Beer made it's debut in Comiskey Park in April 1985. The series was played every season through 1995 when two games were played as part of the team's getting back in shape from the labor impasse.

Here's the significant point....in the 12 games played the Sox NEVER LOST. They went 10-0-2.

Yes in 1994 MJ hit a double late in the game at Wrigley to tie the score and keep the Sox from losing.

Another big moment happened in 1993 when at Comiskey Park the Sox rallied in the 9th inning to win thanks to Bo Jackson.

Ron Karkovice and Bobby Bonilla (yes the same guy) also had big games in 1990 and 1986 respectively, both at Wrigley.

Dave Gallagher threw out at home the tying runner in the 9th inning with two outs to seal the Sox 6-5 win in 1990 and that was also the same game where Steve 'Psycho' Lyons played all nine positions during the contest.

I have the games from 1986, 1990 and 1992 on tape.

Why did the series end? No one knows for sure but there was an unconfirmed rumor at the time that it was the Cubs who decided the series had run its course.

Here are the scores that I found without much trouble:

1985- Comiskey Park, Sox-7, Cubs-4
1986- Wrigley Field, Sox-3, Cubs-0
1990- Wrigley Field, Sox-6, Cubs-5
1992- Wrigley Field, Sox-5, Cubs-0

The two games played in 1981 after the labor impasse was solved and teams were granted a few exhibition games to get back in shape was not part of this series.

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Do you remember the '87 game? It was a night game at Old Comiskey, and the fog rolled in around the 3rd inning and made it almost impossible to see the ball in the outfield.

I'm trying to remember what minor league pitcher got the start for the Sox. It may have been Tom Drees.
I'm pretty sure that was Ralph Citarella; didn't he get credit for the win (well not actual Major League credit, but you know what I mean)?

I still have a third-generation VHS copy of the 1985 game (not that great picture quality, but certainly watchable), and aside from the Sox victory, my favorites were those two teenage girls they showed at the start of the game who said "Cubs, ewwwwww!"
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So no one can really say then if it was played in 1974? hmmmm....
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