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Old 10-17-2008, 01:55 AM
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No. Buildin a bullpen is tough enough when you're not trading the best pitcher out of your bullpen.
If we could get Reyes/Kinsler i'll take my chances with the bullpen
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Old 10-17-2008, 02:11 AM
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You guys are underestimating how difficult it is to become a closer. Linebrink is a perfect example of a great arm gone wrong in the closers role. Thornton has got amazing stuff, closer written all over him, whether he succeeds in that role can't be assumed.
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Old 10-17-2008, 02:19 AM
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Outside of Danks and MB, I would think KW would have consider trading any one player on the Sox for Rollins. I wouldn't be happy if it was Quentin, but considering his injury history and the outfield situation it doesn't seem too insane. Wouldn't question KW anyways.

It is interesting to think about Jenk's value on the trade market. I made fun of the post but the origional poster may be smart in trading him at the top of his value; TB is doing pretty good with a bullpen I wouldn't of thought much of had I looked at it more before the season.
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Old 10-17-2008, 02:33 AM
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Let me see, Jenks:

1. Arbitration eligible this year
2. Signs of losing velocity
3. Strikeouts way down at an alarming rate
4. Still appears he can't keep the weight off.
5. Concerns he might breakdown soon.


If there was a year you can trade Jenks and get something solid in return (let's not get stupid with suggesting Kinsler and Reyes), you would do it this offseason.
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Old 10-17-2008, 10:33 AM
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I think the Sox would love to trade him IF they had anything close to a suitable replacement for him.

Alas, they do not.

However, if they were offered Jose Reyes for him they wouldn't be able to get the paperwork done fast enough.

There are quite a number of players that would help the Sox more than Jenks. But, I'm pretty sure they won't be offered for him - one for one.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Sox shop him to see what they're offered.
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Old 10-17-2008, 11:17 AM
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Let me see, Jenks:

2. Signs of losing velocity
3. Strikeouts way down at an alarming rate
4. Still appears he can't keep the weight off.
5. Concerns he might breakdown soon.
His velocity appeared to be up at the end of the season, so who knows?

I'm okay with seeing the strikeout rate drop, as I think Bobby has simply learned how to pitch to contact.

Bobby's always been a big guy, so the weight "issue" is a non-existent one for me, personally.

Where do these concerns come from? The DL trip this year sucked, but he came back strong? Have folks in the organization mentioned anything about health concerns?
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Old 10-17-2008, 11:25 AM
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I wouldn't trade Bobby. He is the rock in our bullpen. You saw what happened when we went to closer by committee during his injury. Not only was that pretty much a disaster, but that also had lingering effects on the bullpen for the second half of the season. Thorton was good this year, but I wouldn't trust him to close. Even less so for Linebrink or Dotel. We don't need another Billy Koch either. I know you have to give up something to get something, but to me, TCM, TCQ, Bobby, and Buehrle are untouchables. I'd trade Floyd or Danks before Bobby. That's just my opinion.
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Old 10-17-2008, 11:29 AM
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Have folks in the organization mentioned anything about health concerns?
Look how long it took for them to acknowledge that Crede had problems with his back this year? And now Junior.

We wouldn't know if they had concerns or not.


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Old 10-17-2008, 11:41 AM
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This is a joke, right? Why consider this? While I agree he won't last forever, we don't need to create another bullpen situation by trading our best arm. As long as he can close games, I say stick with him. We're trying to improve the 'pen, not risk it further.
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Old 10-17-2008, 11:45 AM
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Look how long it took for them to acknowledge that Crede had problems with his back this year? And now Junior.

We wouldn't know if they had concerns or not.
Crede and Griffey have to take a lot of blame/responsibility on this...

I just don't see any real evidence that Jenks is on the verge of a breakdown.
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Old 10-17-2008, 11:54 AM
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Crede and Griffey have to take a lot of blame/responsibility on this...

I just don't see any real evidence that Jenks is on the verge of a breakdown.

I don't know if they covered it up but the Sox training staff should have had a clue if they did.


My opinion on Jenks is that he held back this year on velocity knowing he was going to be arbitration eligible this year. He didn't want to screw up his 1st big pay day by blowing out his arm. As a a result he may have became a better pitcher.
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Old 10-17-2008, 11:56 AM
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Let me see, Jenks:

1. Arbitration eligible this year
2. Signs of losing velocity
3. Strikeouts way down at an alarming rate
4. Still appears he can't keep the weight off.
5. Concerns he might breakdown soon.


If there was a year you can trade Jenks and get something solid in return (let's not get stupid with suggesting Kinsler and Reyes), you would do it this offseason.
Exactly. This should have been done with Konerko (declining real fast despite one good month) and Crede (gave the Sox nothing this year). KW likes old busted veterans so I'm guessing Jenks will be sticking around.
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Old 10-17-2008, 11:59 AM
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I don't know if they covered it up but the Sox training staff should have had a clue if they did.


My opinion on Jenks is that he held back this year on velocity knowing he was going to be arbitration eligible this year. He didn't want to screw up his 1st big pay day by blowing out his arm. As a a result he may have became a better pitcher.
I think you might be on to something there.
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:00 PM
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I wouldn't trade Bobby. He is the rock in our bullpen. You saw what happened when we went to closer by committee during his injury. Not only was that pretty much a disaster, but that also had lingering effects on the bullpen for the second half of the season. Thorton was good this year, but I wouldn't trust him to close. Even less so for Linebrink or Dotel. We don't need another Billy Koch either. I know you have to give up something to get something, but to me, TCM, TCQ, Bobby, and Buehrle are untouchables. I'd trade Floyd or Danks before Bobby. That's just my opinion.
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:05 PM
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This is a joke, right? Why consider this? While I agree he won't last forever, we don't need to create another bullpen situation by trading our best arm. As long as he can close games, I say stick with him. We're trying to improve the 'pen, not risk it further.
Everyone's tradable if you think it makes the team better overall. Jenks is hardly Eckersley or Rivera.
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