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Old 12-17-2004, 11:32 PM
Troupis Troupis is offline
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Default The Lineups Say It All...

From:

LAST YEAR OFFSEASON:

Rowand
Valentin
Ordonez
Thomas
Konerko
CLee
Uribe
Crede
Alomar/Olivo

TO:

THIS YEAR AS OF NOW:

Pods
Rowand
Thomas
Konerko
Dye
Uribe
Crede
Burke/Davis
Harris

Big Bats: Only 2 (Thomas & Konerko)
Mediocre Hitters: 3 (Rowand?, Dye and maybe Pods)
Almost AAA: 2 (Uribe, Crede)
AAA: 2 (Burke, Harris)
Pitcher/AA: 1 (Davis)

No pitcher will have any trouble pitching around this lineup.
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Old 12-17-2004, 11:36 PM
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Big Bats: Only 2 (Thomas & Konerko)
Mediocre Hitters: 3 (Rowand?, Dye and maybe Pods)
Almost AAA: 2 (Uribe, Crede)
AAA: 2 (Burke, Harris)
Pitcher/AA: 1 (Davis)

No pitcher will have any trouble pitching around this lineup.
Whaaa? Uribe hit as well as Edgar Renteria last season and Rowand tore it up as well...

Juan Uribe
.283 AVG
.327 OBP
23 HR
74 RBI

Aaron Rowand
.310 AVG
.361 OBP
24 HR
69 RBI

Also, Jermaine Dye had a decent year considering he was playing with a broken thumb for much of the second half of the season...

Jermaine Dye
.265 AVG
.329 OBP
23 HR
80 RBI

Whatchoo talkin' bout, Willis???

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Old 12-17-2004, 11:36 PM
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or genius?

you decide.
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Old 12-17-2004, 11:40 PM
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Big Bats: Only 2 (Thomas & Konerko)
Mediocre Hitters: 3 (Rowand?, Dye and maybe Pods)
Almost AAA: 2 (Uribe, Crede)
AAA: 2 (Burke, Harris)
Pitcher/AA: 1 (Davis)
I disagree with several of these assessments. Also, pitchers do not hit in AA ball.
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Old 12-17-2004, 11:48 PM
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Everyone always goes back and forth on the potential/ability of: Crede, Uribe, Harris, Rowand, Davis & Burke in these forums. But, my main point is that last year our lineup was feared and this year if a pitcher gets past Konerko our lineup is not of everyday major-league caliber.

I assume the AA/pitcher thing was taken as a simple joke on his usual hitting reputation. I was in no way asserting that he hit like a pitcher at AA; although that would have been funnier.
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Old 12-18-2004, 12:08 AM
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I assume the AA/pitcher thing was taken as a simple joke on his usual hitting reputation. I was in no way asserting that he hit like a pitcher at AA; although that would have been funnier.
My mistake.
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Old 12-18-2004, 12:15 AM
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OOPS!

lets just completely forget about what our rotation looked like last year, and what it looks like now:

last year:
burls
loiaza
garland
shoney
<insert #5 here>

this year
garcia
burls
garland
contreras
<FA signing soon to come>

relax with your trollish nonsense.
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Old 12-18-2004, 12:53 AM
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OOPS!

lets just completely forget about what our rotation looked like last year, and what it looks like now:

last year:
burls
loiaza
garland
shoney
<insert #5 here>

this year
garcia
burls
garland
contreras
<FA signing soon to come>

relax with your trollish nonsense.
Whatever happened to Dan Wright? God he was awful...
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Old 12-18-2004, 11:49 PM
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OOPS!

lets just completely forget about what our rotation looked like last year, and what it looks like now:

last year:
burls
loiaza
garland
shoney
<insert #5 here>

this year
garcia
burls
garland
contreras
<FA signing soon to come>

relax with your trollish nonsense.
The bullpen has me excited, it takes a lot of pressure off of our starters too
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Old 12-18-2004, 12:39 AM
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Everyone always goes back and forth on the potential/ability of: Crede, Uribe, Harris, Rowand, Davis & Burke in these forums. But, my main point is that last year our lineup was feared and this year if a pitcher gets past Konerko our lineup is not of everyday major-league caliber.

I assume the AA/pitcher thing was taken as a simple joke on his usual hitting reputation. I was in no way asserting that he hit like a pitcher at AA; although that would have been funnier.
Feared? While some days we could put the fear into any pitcher in the league with those mashers, other days we made guys who were making their debut look like the next coming. I prefer the shake up to get some consistency and speed to manufacture some runs. Fear is overrated, I'm looking for efficientcy.
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Old 12-18-2004, 12:50 AM
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Feared? While some days we could put the fear into any pitcher in the league with those mashers, other days we made guys who were making their debut look like the next coming. I prefer the shake up to get some consistency and speed to manufacture some runs. Fear is overrated, I'm looking for efficientcy.
Great post Seal, I completely agree.
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Old 12-18-2004, 12:44 AM
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But, my main point is that last year our lineup was feared and this year if a pitcher gets past Konerko our lineup is not of everyday major-league caliber.
And where has that fearsome lineup gotten us? Time to try another approach. What we have had was a station-to-station team waiting for the three-run homer. Poor baserunning, mediocre defense.

I know that it's sacrilege to say so, but there is more to baseball than homeruns.
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Old 12-18-2004, 02:07 AM
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And where has that fearsome lineup gotten us? Time to try another approach. What we have had was a station-to-station team waiting for the three-run homer. Poor baserunning, mediocre defense.

I know that it's sacrilege to say so, but there is more to baseball than homeruns.

Poor baserunning and defense weren't the main reason for our troubles last year. What we needed was a capable high-OBP leadoff man who would make all those solo shots more meaningful. (Remember how unstoppable this team was in June 04 when both Harris AND Uribe were at the top getting on base a ton?


And I don't recall our defense losing more than a few games for us last year. (Gload against the Cubs is all that I can remember.) I agree with you labeling the D as mediocore, but don't think that mediocore defense is the reason the twins beat us by ten or whatever games last year. It's not like in football or Basketball; Defense in baseball isn't the most important thing to winnin a championship.


A high OBP leadoff man would cure a lot of this team's offensive ills.
And now we have one.
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Old 12-18-2004, 02:56 AM
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Poor baserunning and defense weren't the main reason for our troubles last year. What we needed was a capable high-OBP leadoff man who would make all those solo shots more meaningful. (Remember how unstoppable this team was in June 04 when both Harris AND Uribe were at the top getting on base a ton?


And I don't recall our defense losing more than a few games for us last year. (Gload against the Cubs is all that I can remember.) I agree with you labeling the D as mediocore, but don't think that mediocore defense is the reason the twins beat us by ten or whatever games last year. It's not like in football or Basketball; Defense in baseball isn't the most important thing to winnin a championship.


A high OBP leadoff man would cure a lot of this team's offensive ills.
And now we have one.

Yea I agree that our defense was not the issue. I mean, our pitchers gave up the second most homeruns in baseball, 224. only 127 of which were at home, so its not just our ballpark. And last I checked its kinda hard to defend against the homerun. Our pitchers gave up an OPS that was 3rd to last in the league. So below average pitching + and incosistent offense = a team that hovers around .500.
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Old 12-18-2004, 11:45 AM
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Poor baserunning and defense weren't the main reason for our troubles last year. What we needed was a capable high-OBP leadoff man who would make all those solo shots more meaningful. (Remember how unstoppable this team was in June 04 when both Harris AND Uribe were at the top getting on base a ton?


And I don't recall our defense losing more than a few games for us last year. (Gload against the Cubs is all that I can remember.) I agree with you labeling the D as mediocore, but don't think that mediocore defense is the reason the twins beat us by ten or whatever games last year. It's not like in football or Basketball; Defense in baseball isn't the most important thing to winnin a championship.


A high OBP leadoff man would cure a lot of this team's offensive ills.
And now we have one.
valentin dropping that foul ball, against the A's i believe....
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