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Old 05-28-2018, 05:29 PM
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Committing an error because of a bad hop is not a "lack of effort".

His OPS was around .900 before his hamstring injury which caused him to lose his timing because he wasn't playing. He's fine.
I didn't see the play closely, I just thought I heard the ESPN guy mention something along those lines. Granted, I know better than to listen to what anyone on there has to say. I hope he's fine, we are counting on him big moving forward.
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Old 05-28-2018, 05:41 PM
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Man, when he looks bad he looks really lost at the plate though. He went through a really good stretch where he wasn't striking out much but his babip caught up to him. Now he is just striking out again. It gets ugly when he struggles and looks incredible when he doesn't.
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Old 05-28-2018, 06:05 PM
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Are we going to be doing this until he becomes an all star, because his average will probably drop to .230 and then bump back up to .280. I just really think we would be better off not going nuts with every AB.
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Old 05-28-2018, 09:26 PM
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I think it's fair to criticize your prized #1 prospect when he plays like dog****.

The K-rate which many have been concerned about is very alarming at this stage of his development. This can't be ignored.

Lucky for him he does other things well around the game, but if that bat doesn't turn elite then definitely that would be a huge disappointment.
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Old 05-28-2018, 11:35 PM
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I think it's fair to criticize your prized #1 prospect when he plays like dog****.

The K-rate which many have been concerned about is very alarming at this stage of his development. This can't be ignored.

Lucky for him he does other things well around the game, but if that bat doesn't turn elite then definitely that would be a huge disappointment.
Stanton, Cespedes, and Goldschmidt also in the top 10 in K rate. No longer indicative of suckitude.
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Old 05-29-2018, 09:27 PM
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Stanton, Cespedes, and Goldschmidt also in the top 10 in K rate. No longer indicative of suckitude.
I don't think Yoan has earned this kind of equity yet.
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Old 05-30-2018, 03:59 AM
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I don't think Yoan has earned this kind of equity yet.

Yeah, because he's twenty-three years old and has less than a season's worth of ABs under his belt.
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Old 05-30-2018, 07:27 AM
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I don't think Yoan has earned this kind of equity yet.
So did Cespedes, Stanton, and Goldschmidt start striking out more often only after establishing themselves?
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Old 05-30-2018, 09:37 AM
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Yeah, because he's twenty-three years old and has less than a season's worth of ABs under his belt.
It's a matter of perspective. Torres, Acuna, and Albies are red hot and it is making some of our fans sweat. There is absolutely no reason to panic, but we want immediate results. We are basically starved for production or some kind of greatness. I am willing to bet this dissipates next year when the top of the order combines Moncada, Abreu, Sanchez, and Jimenez in some form.
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Old 05-30-2018, 09:43 AM
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So did Cespedes, Stanton, and Goldschmidt start striking out more often only after establishing themselves?
I don't know, I guess we can look that up.

I really don't understand the argument here anyway. I can name a longer list of MLB superstars who are not striking out at a 220 pace (and I don't think those guys mentioned above have come close to 220 for a season either).

Anyone that doesn't have a concern about that is a bit delusional as a Sox fan.

Merkin posted this yesterday:


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Moncada playing in his 98th game with the White Sox tonight. His White Sox numbers overall entering today: .236/.333/.425, 15 HR, 19 2B, 41 RBI


Merkin didn't include 141 Strikeouts in that run.



Yes this is only a sample size of 100 games. But even with that, I expected Yoan to be much better at this point. Maybe he was rushed up here as many tend to use as a crutch. But keep in mind the Red Sox had rushed him to the Big Leagues also.


And again, in no way am I putting the "Bust" Label on him. That's equally as dumb an observation to make this early. But I do have my concerns here from this 100 game sample size.
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Old 05-30-2018, 09:46 AM
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I don't know, I guess we can look that up.

I really don't understand the argument here anyway. I can name a longer list of MLB superstars who are not striking out at a 220 pace (and I don't think those guys mentioned above have come close to 220 for a season either).

Anyone that doesn't have a concern about that is a bit delusional as a Sox fan.

Merkin posted this yesterday:


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Moncada playing in his 98th game with the White Sox tonight. His White Sox numbers overall entering today: .236/.333/.425, 15 HR, 19 2B, 41 RBI


Merkin didn't include 141 Strikeouts in that run.



Yes this is only a sample size of 100 games. But even with that, I expected Yoan to be much better at this point. Maybe he was rushed up here as many tend to use as a crutch. But keep in mind the Red Sox had rushed him to the Big Leagues also.


And again, in no way I'm I putting the "Bust" Label on him. That's equally as dumb an observation to make this early. But I do have my concerns here from this 100 game sample size.
The k's are obviously bad, but that extrapolates to about 25 hr and rbi in one full season, and I'll take it.

I think the k's improve, and they have slowly done so. The guy was in the 40's. Now it's in the low 40's. Granted, his BABIP has finally started to flatten out and he is not making as hard of contact, but he isn't as bad as he has looked in the last couple of weeks. I am willing to bet he ends the season with a .250/ .260 average. Is that great? No. But it's not horrible when he can produce 25/ 70 at the one spot.

Additionally, the guy is fine tuning his bat from the right hand side.
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Old 05-30-2018, 10:13 AM
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Color me not shocked that a guy coming back from an injured hammy is still knocking some rust off and getting his timing down. He's going to be just fine. In any case, this is basically a developmental year for him.
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Old 05-30-2018, 12:01 PM
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In before Moncada has a bad night since he is facing Kluber, and this page starts melting down.
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Old 05-30-2018, 12:19 PM
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Leadoff single right on cue
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Old 05-30-2018, 12:26 PM
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Leadoff single right on cue
And then falls victim to a "strike 'em out, throw 'em out." A real major leaguer would run like Kenny Lofton in his prime. Major bust.
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