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Old 04-08-2018, 10:55 AM
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I should know better than to try to win an internet argument. OK. They were not contenders in 2003 or 2004.
I think you are right.

KW and Schueler built a minor league system pipeline in the late 90s that produced the 2000 division title, and then was competitive (if not successful) 2001-2004 largely because of injuries.

KW then had an amazing hot streak of trades and free agent signings: Bartolo Colon for spare parts, Esteban Loaiza, Freddy Garcia, turning Loaiza’s All Star year into Jose Contreras, Juan Uribe, El Duque, turning Magglio and Lee into Dye, AJ, Iguchi, Podsednik and Vizcaino, Rowand into Thome, McCarthy into Danks, Carlos Quentin.

Then it all fell apart with Nick Swisher, and almost every deal thereafter.

Injuries cost them dearly in 2001, 2004, and 2008. Paulie’s awful slump and lack of rotation depth cost them in 2003.
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Old 04-08-2018, 02:58 PM
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The 2003 and 2004 teams were absolutely contenders and a 2004 team with a healthy Frank and Maggs could have made the playoffs. How many teams can lose their 3 and 4 hitters and still make the playoffs?

In the 11 year span between 2000 to 2010 the Sox won 90+ games 3x and 88+ games 5x.
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Old 04-09-2018, 04:39 PM
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I think you are right.

KW and Schueler built a minor league system pipeline in the late 90s that produced the 2000 division title, and then was competitive (if not successful) 2001-2004 largely because of injuries.
It also had a severe lack of pitching depth. No 5th starter most of those years, and it's endured for most of the subsequent 17 years. Hahn has taken it to a new level with the veteran clowns his put on the staff during his 5 years in charge.
The exception was 2005, when they had depth such that they used 3 closers and were able to leave McCarthy off of the post-season roster.
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