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Old 07-19-2018, 10:10 PM
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I am generally tolerant but skeptical of rules changes, but I really like the new (minor league) rule that puts a runner on second base at the start of each frame in extra innings.

It saves pitching staffs, it allows fans to see the conclusion of the game, and it's a way of breaking ties that is quite natural (unlike, say, penalty kicks in soccer). It encourages good situational baseball.

Baseball is designed to test your depth over a long season, not over 16 innings when you have position players pitching and three other guys out of position. I always found that ugly.

Of course it's too soon to consider having the same rule in the majors, but maybe in a few years...
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:58 PM
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I'm a traditionalist as far as most of the rules in the game, so I hate the idea. That said, Manfred said on Waddle and Silvy earlier this season that he doesn't see the rule extending beyond the minors. They put the rule there not to exhaust developing players (I think), probably for the same reasons doubleheader games are seven innings instead of nine. Obviously, this could change in the majors, but I hope it doesn't.
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Old 07-19-2018, 11:13 PM
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All sports are trying to find ways to shorten overtime games and get a definite conclusion. I agree a game that goes 13+ innings is hard on a family especially on a weeknight. I don't see a major difference between this and the College football overtime plan that allows for almost sure scoring on every possession and forces action.

I wouldn't have a problem if this came to the majors, but I imagine in the majors they'd start it in like the 12 inning or something, not the 10th. I could live with that.
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Old 07-20-2018, 04:19 AM
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I am generally tolerant but skeptical of rules changes, but I really like the new (minor league) rule that puts a runner on second base at the start of each frame in extra innings.

It saves pitching staffs, it allows fans to see the conclusion of the game, and it's a way of breaking ties that is quite natural (unlike, say, penalty kicks in soccer). It encourages good situational baseball.

Baseball is designed to test your depth over a long season, not over 16 innings when you have position players pitching and three other guys out of position. I always found that ugly.

Of course it's too soon to consider having the same rule in the majors, but maybe in a few years...



This would be a terrible idea. The first thing I'd ask is how often does this situation occur?

My next question is how would starting a guy at second base encourage situational baseball when the general philosophy of the offensive side of the game has changed?

You have bench players and a minor league system. If the facts bear out that games are running into extended extra innings maybe, maybe, you extend the forty man roster to forty-two? Then add to the number of bench players allowed if the fact warrant.

This is nothing more than an attempt to appeal to baseball fans with diminishing attention spans.

The catering to baseball fans with diminishing attention spans isn't the problem. Diminishing attention spans are the problem and I'd bet this problem extends to every aspect of life in the individual affected.
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The catering to baseball fans with diminishing attention spans isn't the problem. Diminishing attention spans are the problem and I'd bet this problem extends to every aspect of life in the individual affected.
Business has to adapt to the potential audience or lose money.
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:30 AM
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This would be a terrible idea. The first thing I'd ask is how often does this situation occur?

My next question is how would starting a guy at second base encourage situational baseball when the general philosophy of the offensive side of the game has changed?

You have bench players and a minor league system. If the facts bear out that games are running into extended extra innings maybe, maybe, you extend the forty man roster to forty-two? Then add to the number of bench players allowed if the fact warrant.

This is nothing more than an attempt to appeal to baseball fans with diminishing attention spans.

The catering to baseball fans with diminishing attention spans isn't the problem. Diminishing attention spans are the problem and I'd bet this problem extends to every aspect of life in the individual affected.
In my case it's not a diminished attention span. I have a busy life. I budget 3-4 hours for a game and if it goes 5 it cuts into something else. I like seeing the end of the game and I like seeing the wheels turn in the tenth and eleventh. Bunt? Try for a productive out? Walk the first batter? Choose a pinch hitter with speed so that he's on second next inning if he makes the final out this inning?

In my case it's not a diminshed attention span.

Wait, what?
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This is nothing more than an attempt to appeal to baseball fans with diminishing attention spans.

The catering to baseball fans with diminishing attention spans isn't the problem. Diminishing attention spans are the problem and I'd bet this problem extends to every aspect of life in the individual affected.
If the people paying to enjoy your entertainment service have changing needs and demands, you had better cater to them rather than try to figure out how to change those needs and demands.

Not sure how baseball would solve the issues you raise in the second paragraph or if those issues can or should be fixed.

The tastes of the viewing audience are changing you had better accommodate them, but that's why I suggested a compromise solution above where the first few extra innings are played standard and then starting at some point (TBD) the runner is placed on second to (in theory) facilitate a faster ending to the game.
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In my case it's not a diminished attention span. I have a busy life. I budget 3-4 hours for a game and if it goes 5 it cuts into something else. I like seeing the end of the game and I like seeing the wheels turn in the tenth and eleventh. Bunt? Try for a productive out? Walk the first batter? Choose a pinch hitter with speed so that he's on second next inning if he makes the final out this inning?

In my case it's not a diminshed attention span.

Wait, what?
Good point and add in parents who are bringing kids to the game and who don't want to get home well past midnight or have to leave before the end due to other commitments they've made and disappoint those kids.

I don't see this as a major issue, but I understand why purists don't want it. Still I think it might well be coming to the majors at some point and I don't have a major problem with it.
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Old 07-20-2018, 10:14 AM
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It's fine for the minors.
If extras are too much for the majors, just count ties.
No contrivances.
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Old 07-20-2018, 10:16 AM
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I'd rather see a tie after 13 innings.

Don't care for shootouts in the NHL either.

Maybe MLB can remove a fielder after every inning. That will create more offense.
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Old 07-20-2018, 10:21 AM
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I don't get it. When I go to a concert, I never want it to end early or after a set number of songs (though I have seen others leave before the show is over). No one is being forced to stay for the entire game. If people don't want to stick around to see the end or extra innings, they are free to leave and listen to the rest of the game on the radio on the car ride home. Why are extra innings a problem?
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Old 07-20-2018, 10:36 AM
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Gross. Might as well determine the winner with a home run derby.
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Old 07-20-2018, 10:37 AM
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And just a reminder, none of the posters on these forums is a casual fan. As much as we care about the team and the game, we remain the minority of the targeted audience.

I doubt anyone who is posting in this thread will stop watching games if MLB adopts this rule and a few years after it starts none of us will even bat an eye at it anymore. By then it will simply be what it will be and we will continue enjoying the great sport and maybe occasionally reminisce about the way things used to be.
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Why are extra innings a problem?

Today's players are much more fragile than the players of 50 years ago. Can you imagine a current manager letting a pitcher go 11 innings into a perfect game? Me either.


I blame early specialization for fragility problem. 50 years ago high school athletes were three-sport athletes. There were no muscle overtraining or undertraining issues, because different sports used different muscles. Now when kids start travel baseball at age 8, to the exclusion of other sports, they are being set up for injuries we never used to see.
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