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Old 08-12-2017, 01:56 PM
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After Eloy, this is my favorite prospect currently. Was he a steal last draft? What is his ceiling?
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Old 08-12-2017, 02:07 PM
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After Eloy, this is my favorite prospect currently. Was he a steal last draft? What is his ceiling?
Coming into 2016, he was touted as a possible #1 overall pick.

Control issues during his 2016 season caused his draft stock to tumble.

If he becomes a mid-rotation starter, then yes, he's a steal given where he was drafted.

But his ceiling is that of a near-ace. Maybe not Sale/Kershaw level, but good enough to be a #1 on many teams.

If he and Kopech both approach their potential, we will have a formidable rotation indeed.
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Old 08-12-2017, 03:37 PM
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Coming into 2016, he was touted as a possible #1 overall pick.

Control issues during his 2016 season caused his draft stock to tumble.

If he becomes a mid-rotation starter, then yes, he's a steal given where he was drafted.

But his ceiling is that of a near-ace. Maybe not Sale/Kershaw level, but good enough to be a #1 on many teams.

If he and Kopech both approach their potential, we will have a formidable rotation indeed.

Formidable? If both he and Kopech hit their potential to go along with high K rate arms in Rodon and Lopez.... you are probably looking at a top 5 rotation in the game.


I will say this, all for of those guys easily have 200K stuff. That's dominance.
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Old 08-12-2017, 10:49 PM
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Formidable? If both he and Kopech hit their potential to go along with high K rate arms in Rodon and Lopez.... you are probably looking at a top 5 rotation in the game.


I will say this, all for of those guys easily have 200K stuff. That's dominance.
Yup. Add in Giolito or Dunning as the 5th starter and it's going to be one impressive as hell rotation. And that part of the rebuild will be here soon. Rodon is here. Lopez is here. Kopech could arrive sometime next year or 2019 definitely. Giolito likely next year. Hansen and Dunning probably 2019. The position players will be mostly 2020 but the rotation should be done by 2019 and mostly done next year.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:09 AM
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If the Sox can set a solid rotation from their system, then they're actually ahead of where the Cubs were a year into their rebuild. Cubs had to sign Lester and Lackey and trade to get Q. Barring injury, they should have 4 top of the rotation guys in Rodon, Kopech, Lopez, and Hansen by '19 at the latest. That's pretty insane. Then guys like Gio, Dunning, Cease, Burdi, etc. can provide bullpen depth.

Position players are a little harder to project but they only need 2-3 to reach their potential.

2019 is going to be fun as hell.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:21 AM
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The question of Kopech's development is a matter of when not if. He will be a stud. Hansen has a bit more to question in his game but, if he pans out he is maybe a tick below Kopech. Funny that Rodon, who has stud potential, probably will be third best if these guys are who I think they will be.

There will be a lot of competition in the back end. Right now, we have Dunning, GIolito, Kopech, Lopez, Rodon, Hansen fighting for a rotation spot. I am not sure who has to go. It has to be two.

Oh, and don't forget Cease who, many say, can be a Kopech if he controls his walk ratio. This was the same question mark they had on Kopech. The talent for Cease is there.

It will probably do us well to begin developing some of these guys for the bullpen.
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:33 PM
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The question of Kopech's development is a matter of when not if. He will be a stud. Hansen has a bit more to question in his game but, if he pans out he is maybe a tick below Kopech. Funny that Rodon, who has stud potential, probably will be third best if these guys are who I think they will be.

There will be a lot of competition in the back end. Right now, we have Dunning, GIolito, Kopech, Lopez, Rodon, Hansen fighting for a rotation spot. I am not sure who has to go. It has to be two.

Oh, and don't forget Cease who, many say, can be a Kopech if he controls his walk ratio. This was the same question mark they had on Kopech. The talent for Cease is there.

It will probably do us well to begin developing some of these guys for the bullpen.
I'd hate to see them move guys to the bullpen just to hang on to them. Settle on the best 5 keep a 6th for depth and move whoever is left if they are blocked. A mid-rotation starting pitcher is worth far more in trade value than they will get from moving them to relief.
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:51 PM
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I'd hate to see them move guys to the bullpen just to hang on to them. Settle on the best 5 keep a 6th for depth and move whoever is left if they are blocked. A mid-rotation starting pitcher is worth far more in trade value than they will get from moving them to relief.

Good point. We will have bullpen arms, regardless. Guys like Danish, Fulmer, Burdi, Stephens, and Guerrero will probably slot well from an in-house bullpen.

Rodon, Cease, Lopez, Giolito, Kopech, Hansen, and Dunning. Who is the odd man out? Who gets traded for a hitter that will help push us over the top?
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Old 08-21-2017, 02:41 AM
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Good point. We will have bullpen arms, regardless. Guys like Danish, Fulmer, Burdi, Stephens, and Guerrero will probably slot well from an in-house bullpen.

Rodon, Cease, Lopez, Giolito, Kopech, Hansen, and Dunning. Who is the odd man out? Who gets traded for a hitter that will help push us over the top?
Agreed, you don't move guys to the bullpen just because there's no room in the major league rotation. If we run into the "problem" of too many of the prospects working out, those guys are worth their weight in gold on the trade market.

If everything works according to plan, I'll be most interested to see what they do with Rodon, the "veteran" of this projected staff. He'll be the most established guy in the rotation, and also the first to hit FA, and the Boras factor looms. They'll have plenty of payroll flexibility to pay him market value, but that will probably be more than he is actually worth, and the more money the Sox save in filling out the rotation, the more they can invest in the offense (where there are likely to be a couple holes).
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Old 08-21-2017, 09:01 AM
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Good point. We will have bullpen arms, regardless. Guys like Danish, Fulmer, Burdi, Stephens, and Guerrero will probably slot well from an in-house bullpen.

Rodon, Cease, Lopez, Giolito, Kopech, Hansen, and Dunning. Who is the odd man out? Who gets traded for a hitter that will help push us over the top?
There will be injuries- that will naturally shorten the list of who eventually sticks in the rotation at the major league level. From what I've seen this year- I personally would bet on:

Rodon
Kopech
Hansen
Dunning
Giolito
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Old 08-21-2017, 03:30 PM
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There will be injuries- that will naturally shorten the list of who eventually sticks in the rotation at the major league level. From what I've seen this year- I personally would bet on:

Rodon
Kopech
Hansen
Dunning
Giolito
Dunning over Lopez? How for? Why come? What that?
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:12 PM
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Dunning over Lopez? How for? Why come? What that?
Monday morning brain cramp!

Revised list-

Rodon
Kopech
Hansen
Lopez
Giolito

1st alternate- Dunning
2nd alternate- Cease
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Old 08-21-2017, 06:02 PM
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Monday morning brain cramp!

Revised list-

Rodon
Kopech
Hansen
Lopez
Giolito

1st alternate- Dunning
2nd alternate- Cease
I see. Though your original post did lead me to double check Dunning's stats. He has had a really good year. His arm appears to be tiring out, but that can be expected of a guy in his second pro year, in which he only pitched 35 innings his first year.
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Old 08-21-2017, 08:20 PM
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I see. Though your original post did lead me to double check Dunning's stats. He has had a really good year. His arm appears to be tiring out, but that can be expected of a guy in his second pro year, in which he only pitched 35 innings his first year.
I don't think there is any question but that Rodon, Kopech, and Hansen are the cream of the crop.

After that there are several guys that could fill the last two spots. Giolito and Lopez clearly have the advantage, both in stuff and in being the most advanced of them but Dunning is certainly in the same conversation.

But guys like Cease, who has the stuff but I think may end up a closer, Adams, Stephens, Guerrero, Fulmer, Flores, Martinez, Clarkin, and Puckett all could end up in the competition for the 4th and 5th spots.
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Old 08-21-2017, 11:12 PM
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Gio, Lopez, Dunning and Cease all have the makeup to be #2 or #3 starters potentially as well. So in a not-so-far-fetched best case scenario, the Sox will be throwing out three legit front end starters and a #4 and #5 that are on the level of someone like Danny Duffy or Gerritt Cole.
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