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Old 08-23-2018, 03:49 PM
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Eloy would be in AAA today regardless of what organization he was in. He knows that. All 30 GMs know that.
This is completely false. Any contending team would bring him up. Why do you think Soto is in the bigs and Vlad and Eloy aren't? MLB-ready prospects on bad teams get stuck in the minors for nothing other than service time BS.

Kopech started making noise on social media and what do you know, he gets a promotion. If Eloy does the same, he'll get one, too.
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:21 PM
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This is completely false. Any contending team would bring him up. Why do you think Soto is in the bigs and Vlad and Eloy aren't? MLB-ready prospects on bad teams get stuck in the minors for nothing other than service time BS.

Kopech started making noise on social media and what do you know, he gets a promotion. If Eloy does the same, he'll get one, too.
Kopech put in the equivalent of a full season at AAA.

Eloy doesnít yet have a half season at AAA, or even a full season combined between AA and AAA.
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Old 08-23-2018, 05:02 PM
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Kopech put in the equivalent of a full season at AAA.

Eloy doesnít yet have a half season at AAA, or even a full season combined between AA and AAA.
Let me put it another way:

In 1990, Frank Thomas played 109 games at AA.

Eloy is now at 116 games between AA and AAA.

Thomas was promoted onto a team fighting to stay close in an unexpected pennant race with (defending world champion) Oakland, having had Steve Lyons and Carlos Martinez put up abysmal offensive numbers at first base.

Those arguing for Eloy to be promoted now are essentially arguing that heís as ready as Frank Thomas was - which may be true, Iíll admit - but the 2018 Sox are polar opposites of the 1990 Sox.

All Iím saying is that while a legitimate case can be made to promote Eloy now, an equally compelling case can be made - that doesnít rely on the ďservice time argumentĒ - to take a bit more time to promote him.
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Old 08-23-2018, 05:21 PM
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Kopech put in the equivalent of a full season at AAA.

Eloy doesn’t yet have a half season at AAA, or even a full season combined between AA and AAA.
This should not be a prerequisite for a callup unless a guy actually needs the extra experience to grow in one area or another. Eloy does not. He makes a lot of hard contact. He has tapped into his power. He doesn't strike out much. He can hit righties and lefties. he can hit off-speed stuff. He doesn't need more time to mature, physically or mentally.

Acuna had barely over 100 games above A ball before his call-up -- which was overdue. Soto had 35 ABs above A ball. Harper's another example, and his minor league production was nothing compared to Eloy. Same with Correa. Our own Carlos Rodon started 9 minor league game before his callup. When a guy's ready, he's ready. There are no gaping holes in Eloy's game that can be remedied by a little extra time in AAA.

Blue chippers that hit the ground running in the minors virtually never spend as much time on the farm as you are advocating. The only exception is when they have a glaring flaw that takes longer than expected to iron out -- like Kopech's command before the last 2 months -- or service time BS. That's it.
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Old 08-23-2018, 05:59 PM
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Blue chippers that hit the ground running in the minors virtually never spend as much time on the farm as you are advocating. The only exception is when they have a glaring flaw that takes longer than expected to iron out -- like Kopech's command before the last 2 months -- or service time BS. That's it.
Fair points.

At the same time, if the Sox do indeed wait until April 15, 2019 (incidentally scheduled to be the first of a three-game home series against KC), to promote him, it still only represents about 3 weeks of minor league games: Charlotte has 11 games remaining this year, and about 10 minor league games in 2019 (since the IL starts about a week after MLB).

Iím not advocating waiting until April 15, 2019. Iíd be ecstatic if he was promoted this year. Iím just not going to flip over buffet tables if the Sox wait until mid-April.
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Old 08-24-2018, 06:24 AM
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Madrigal is hitting .254 with only two extra base hits in 63 at bats at Winston-Salem. Not impressive. Maybe, he's tired after a long college season.
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Old 08-24-2018, 06:33 AM
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Madrigal is hitting .254 with only two extra base hits in 63 at bats at Winston-Salem. Not impressive. Maybe, he's tired after a long college season.
I think itís exactly that.
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Old 08-24-2018, 07:09 AM
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Madrigal is hitting .254 with only two extra base hits in 63 at bats at Winston-Salem. Not impressive. Maybe, he's tired after a long college season.
Kid has been playing competitive baseball since February....he has to be gassed.
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Old 08-24-2018, 08:10 AM
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Seby Zavala was 3 for 5 last night with 2 doubles. Does he get called up after Sept. 1? I believe he needs to be added to the 40-man roster this offseason anyway.

Hansen struggled again with control last night 4.0 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 5 BB, 4 K. 40 of 75 pitches thrown were balls. Southsidesox.com has a link to a scouting report filed after last night's game:
https://2080baseball.com/reports/alec-hansen/
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Old 08-24-2018, 08:36 AM
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Madrigal is hitting .254 with only two extra base hits in 63 at bats at Winston-Salem. Not impressive. Maybe, he's tired after a long college season.
It is obvious he is a bust.
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Old 08-24-2018, 09:43 AM
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I really hate seeing the struggles from Hansen this year. He was a great turn around story as far as control goes. He's always been blessed with top rotation stuff. I hope he can press the reset button and come back strong next spring.
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Old 08-24-2018, 01:34 PM
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Do you think the Sox will "demote" anyone to W-S so they can get some extra work in the playoffs?
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Old 08-24-2018, 01:43 PM
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I really hate seeing the struggles from Hansen this year. He was a great turn around story as far as control goes. He's always been blessed with top rotation stuff. I hope he can press the reset button and come back strong next spring.
I am most down on him as it pertains to his future talent. He seems like a worse Gioliti. And we already have one of those.
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Old 08-24-2018, 02:38 PM
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I am most down on him as it pertains to his future talent. He seems like a worse Gioliti. And we already have one of those.
Hansen at least has a good excuse. He lost his release point after the injury. Easier to find it again than to pitch in the bigs with AAAA stuff like Gio.

Anyway, the thing is, the Sox are beyond loaded with pitching. Relievers, starters, guys at high levels and low. A bunch of them will bust, but there's such a sheer quantity that I'm not worried at all about that side of things. Have we even talked about Tyler Johnson? The guy has closer stuff + great command. Burdi's penciled in as the closer of the future but he'll have a lot of competition. Just one of many live arms that'll be fighting for space on the MLB roster in 2020 and beyond. God forbid the Moncadas and Roberts don't pan out, we could still win a lot of 3-2 and 4-3 games on the strength of that pitching staff.
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Old 08-24-2018, 04:20 PM
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James Fegan has reported on Twitter that the Sox are shutting down Cease for the season, as heís already exceeded his career high in innings.

Cease has definitely been a bright spot this year. Hopefully heíll start 2019 in Charlotte and continue dominating.
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