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Old 12-09-2013, 01:12 PM
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Talking about the ceiling of a 30-year-old with nearly 3,500 MLB PA is pretty insane, we know what kind of player he is
Considering two years ago he won the silver slugger, gold glove, and finished fifth place in the MVP vote despite being on a terrible team, no I think it's mildly up for debate. If he moved from PetCo to here, his numbers would probably get a huge bump too.

I think Headley's a good player that in the right place can be that MVP type player again. I just wouldn't trade young assets for a 30 year old unless I was competing in the next two years.
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:14 PM
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As munch, y'know, actually said, his ceiling is.
That makes even less sense, considering he is likely on the wrong side of his prime.
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:15 PM
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Headley is a free agent after 2014, correct? If so, this makes no sense unless the Sox manage to extend him. Young starting pitching needs to be used to acquire assets that will be around after next year.
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:40 PM
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Just to be clear, because I don't think it is with some people, nowhere did I say go and trade for Chase Headley.
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:59 PM
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Headley is a free agent after 2014, correct? If so, this makes no sense unless the Sox manage to extend him. Young starting pitching needs to be used to acquire assets that will be around after next year.
Yeah, this is my problem with the proposed deal as well and likely why it won't fly. If Headley was signed for the next three years, then it would be worth it. I'm sure Chase Headley's agent sees the crazy money being thrown at free agents lately. He also knows that Headley is a switch hitter and plays at a premium position that is tough to fill. I doubt they would rush into a contract extension with the Sox knowing that teams are throwing insane money around. One solid year from Headley in 2014 will turn into gold heading into 2015.
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:03 PM
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Yeah, this is my problem with the proposed deal as well and likely why it won't fly. If Headley was signed for the next three years, then it would be worth it. I'm sure Chase Headley's agent sees the crazy money being thrown at free agents lately. He also knows that Headley is a switch hitter and plays at a premium position that is tough to fill. I doubt they would rush into a contract extension with the Sox knowing that teams are throwing insane money around. One solid year from Headley in 2014 will turn into gold heading into 2015.

I agree, the only way Headley would agree to an extension now if he was damaged goods. Next years pay days should be as sweet as this years. Hed be crazy not to go on the open market.
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:08 PM
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Just to be clear, because I don't think it is with some people, nowhere did I say go and trade for Chase Headley.
Um, where do you think anyone has said you posted that? We're just saying that discussing the "ceiling" of a player whose already 30 years old is inherently ridiculous.
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Old 12-09-2013, 03:37 PM
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Nothing like trading young pitching for a rent. Sign the Headleys; don't trade for them.
Headley's a good player who had one great year.
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Old 12-09-2013, 04:00 PM
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Nothing like trading young pitching for a rent. Sign the Headleys; don't trade for them.
Headley's a good player who had one great year.
I don't know, if you can get them for a pitcher maybe you're not high on, why not? Have you seen the prices the open market commands nowadays? Just out of curiosity, is dealing a guy like Hector Santiago really worse than potentially paying a guy like him millions of dollars for several years? The whole point of investing in your own player development is that, when the opportunity presents itself, you can turn your homegrown players into better players via trade rather than doing things the Yankee way which is taking on a lot of bloated payroll.
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Old 12-09-2013, 04:21 PM
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I don't know, if you can get them for a pitcher maybe you're not high on, why not? Have you seen the prices the open market commands nowadays? Just out of curiosity, is dealing a guy like Hector Santiago really worse than potentially paying a guy like him millions of dollars for several years? The whole point of investing in your own player development is that, when the opportunity presents itself, you can turn your homegrown players into better players via trade rather than doing things the Yankee way which is taking on a lot of bloated payroll.
No it isn't. But that's not the choice. The choice is to trade Santiago for ONE year of Headley. There's no real reason to sign a below market extension. So if he does extend, it will be the same contract had we signed him.
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Old 12-09-2013, 04:23 PM
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Um, where do you think anyone has said you posted that? We're just saying that discussing the "ceiling" of a player whose already 30 years old is inherently ridiculous.
Maybe ceiling is the wrong word.

The highest production we can expect out of him for the next few years is contending for the MVP, based on his prior ability to do so in less than ideal hitting conditions.

Is that better? The point I was making is that Headley could contend for the MVP, and that's the highest projection for him if he were here. Which is a higher projection than most would give to the players we'd trade away, even if you consider them better bets to reach their highest projection.
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Old 12-09-2013, 04:24 PM
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I don't know, if you can get them for a pitcher maybe you're not high on, why not? Have you seen the prices the open market commands nowadays? Just out of curiosity, is dealing a guy like Hector Santiago really worse than potentially paying a guy like him millions of dollars for several years? The whole point of investing in your own player development is that, when the opportunity presents itself, you can turn your homegrown players into better players via trade rather than doing things the Yankee way which is taking on a lot of bloated payroll.

The Sox are going to have delve into the expensive FA market eventually or wait an eternity to create enough home grown players to compete. Maybe Headley will one of these as FA that is, why give up pitching for a lost team this year. Wait till next year and then sign him.
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Old 12-09-2013, 04:27 PM
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No it isn't. But that's not the choice. The choice is to trade Santiago for ONE year of Headley. There's no real reason to sign a below market extension. So if he does extend, it will be the same contract had we signed him.
I'm not sure the Padres would do that deal. Santiago isn't as valuable as most people seem to think he is. One year or not, I'd do that deal only so I can spin off Headley for something more valuable than Santiago. There's a lot of teams looking for a quality 3B for this year...
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Old 12-09-2013, 05:28 PM
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I'm not sure the Padres would do that deal. Santiago isn't as valuable as most people seem to think he is. One year or not, I'd do that deal only so I can spin off Headley for something more valuable than Santiago. There's a lot of teams looking for a quality 3B for this year...
I'm not sure they would either. But I don't see any reason for us to scour the rent-a-player bin.
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Old 12-09-2013, 05:36 PM
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I'm not sure they would either. But I don't see any reason for us to scour the rent-a-player bin.
The Padres will eventually get a better player than Santiago back for Headley, so if they'd do the deal, I say do it.

But...of course, this is discourse and based on nothing. San Diego would never do that deal.
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