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Old 08-04-2017, 12:41 PM
CHISOXFAN13 CHISOXFAN13 is offline
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I agree they SHOULD be better, but I still don't personally think they are going to contend until 2020 at the earliest.
Outside of Cleveland, this is going to be a pretty ****ty division after this year.

Most, if not all of the current elite pitching prospects, with the exception of Dunning and Cease, should be here by then.

I think the Sox will be a factor in 2019.
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Old 08-04-2017, 12:44 PM
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Outside of Cleveland, this is going to be a pretty ****ty division after this year.

Most, if not all of the current elite pitching prospects, with the exception of Dunning and Cease, should be here by then.

I think the Sox will be a factor in 2019.

Depends on what your definition of "factor" is. I think we should be a progression. Next year, I expect us to be a 5-10 pick. Still crap, but not 100 losses bad. Though, possible.

Because of all the pitching we have, and the timing, 2019 should at least be close to .500.

Our hitting will probably come in during the 2020 season, and that is where I expect us to begin contending overall.
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Old 08-04-2017, 12:55 PM
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Depends on what your definition of "factor" is. I think we should be a progression. Next year, I expect us to be a 5-10 pick. Still crap, but not 100 losses bad. Though, possible.

Because of all the pitching we have, and the timing, 2019 should at least be close to .500.

Our hitting will probably come in during the 2020 season, and that is where I expect us to begin contending overall.
Well nobody here knows if the Sox will be active in the very loaded 2019 free agent class.

If they do, and I expect them to be a player, that expedites this thing quickly.
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Old 08-04-2017, 12:59 PM
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If they lose 130 games next year does it even matter? They aren't contending in 2018 anyway...they aren't contending in 2019.

It's frustrating to be sure, but that's why it is called a rebuild and if they are going to do something like that (which they have) don't do it half-assed...rebuild all the way...completely.

For now wins and losses don't really matter much save for the individual development of certain players who may be a bench piece in a few years.
Yeah doesn't matter about the record, only the development of our young guys.

However, don't assume we won't be good in '19. Way to early to see what that roster will look like. Our pitching could be pretty good then actually.
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Old 08-04-2017, 01:05 PM
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Depends on what your definition of "factor" is. I think we should be a progression. Next year, I expect us to be a 5-10 pick. Still crap, but not 100 losses bad. Though, possible.

Because of all the pitching we have, and the timing, 2019 should at least be close to .500.

Our hitting will probably come in during the 2020 season, and that is where I expect us to begin contending overall.
Pitching could be much improved by 2019- with so many of our prospects at the AA/AAA level, but other than (possibly) Jiminez, or the lesser prospects like Kordell and Gillaspie. all of our position player prospects are at A+ or lower, so I think 2020 is the earliest you start to see our holes at C, 3B and in the OF plugged by our talent in the system.
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Old 08-04-2017, 01:08 PM
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Remember however, that while the young talent will arrive in 2019 and 2020, they will be rookies and second year players. No matter how much talent and promise they have they will still have a lot of learning to do.

Free agent signings could change things dramatically of course. It did for the Cubs. Their rebuild was as much about the free agents they signed as it was about the kids coming up to play.
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Old 08-04-2017, 02:33 PM
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Yeah doesn't matter about the record, only the development of our young guys.
I think some of the angst from some of the posters is the "embarrassment" factor and they are taking it personally.

"Oh my God, if they lose 120 games next year how can I show my face given that the Cubs are doing well..." things along those lines.

I'm reminded of the line from the Godfather, "it's nothing personal, just business..."

Besides the Sox franchise has embarrassed themselves plenty over the century plus they've been around...what's one more time?:
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Old 08-04-2017, 03:25 PM
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A shame that A. Garcia, M. Davidson and W. Garcia all injured (along with Burdi, Gillaspie,Kordell at AAA, and Polo at AA)- would have been nice to see how they finished the season (not that they're out for the rest of the season).

But that pitching staff- other than Rodon and maybe Bummer, Goldberg, Hoiberg- who seem kind of interesting, what a hot mess that staff is.
Agree - Rodon and perhaps the Sox might find a back end bullpen piece or two from the din.
At this point, I would stockpile pitching. I just remember the achilles heel of Williams' 2001-2004 teams was the lack of a 5th starter and pen depth (and I'm still of the opinion that Williams is heavily involved, unless proven otherwise, and, to my mind, it hasn't been). Consistently thin on the mound.
And in the recent "go for it" years, they were going for it with Noesi and a hobbled Danks, backed by no pitching depth at all and by a terrible defense.
On the other hand, Leury and Davidson certainly look good enough to make a 25, if not start. Others would be better bench players that we had in go for it years.
They also might look to see how marketable Davidson might be...or Yolmer, etc.
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Old 08-04-2017, 11:39 PM
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Agree - Rodon and perhaps the Sox might find a back end bullpen piece or two from the din.
At this point, I would stockpile pitching. I just remember the achilles heel of Williams' 2001-2004 teams was the lack of a 5th starter and pen depth (and I'm still of the opinion that Williams is heavily involved, unless proven otherwise, and, to my mind, it hasn't been). Consistently thin on the mound.
And in the recent "go for it" years, they were going for it with Noesi and a hobbled Danks, backed by no pitching depth at all and by a terrible defense.
On the other hand, Leury and Davidson certainly look good enough to make a 25, if not start. Others would be better bench players that we had in go for it years.
They also might look to see how marketable Davidson might be...or Yolmer, etc.
Garcia 4-6 weeks is probably done or maybe play the last 2-3 weeks. Davidson really needs to pick it up and build for next season, he was slumping the last 30-40 games. Yolmer avg. is down but he's still an interesting utility player to me. Same with Garcia (L) I'd like to see us hold onto him. Rodon is starting to look like the dominant arm we all know he is.
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Old 08-05-2017, 05:34 AM
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I think some of the angst from some of the posters is the "embarrassment" factor and they are taking it personally.

"Oh my God, if they lose 120 games next year how can I show my face given that the Cubs are doing well..." things along those lines.
I'll let those that feel that way, if any do, answer for themselves.

If the record is bad I can live with it only if I see the personal development of the players and improvement in the team.

BTW, who cares what the Cubbies do?

This isn't zero sum: if the White Sox do this right, and that's a big if, there will be fans at games.
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Old 08-05-2017, 09:10 AM
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Excellent point with saladino in front and smith behind. And why Abreu isnt pounding on management asking them to get him out of dodge baffles me.
He's not stupid and understands what is happening?
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Old 08-05-2017, 11:55 AM
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He's not stupid and understands what is happening?
Baffling!
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Old 08-05-2017, 12:22 PM
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Baffling!
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Old 08-05-2017, 12:32 PM
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BTW, who cares what the Cubbies do?
Based on a lot of posts, many apparently. Just go to the section about the Cubs. I'm one of them by the way because I still don't want to see the Sox shortchanged by the Cubs success.

However I'm fully on-board with the rebuild...if it takes three years or five years or ever if I'm not around to see the future success.
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Old 08-05-2017, 01:49 PM
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I really don't care one way or the other about the Cubs.

I'm fully on board with the rebuild.

But I would still like to see some starters that can go at least 5 innings? Is that too much to ask?

It's painful to watch even if I am fully on board and busy watching minor league games at the same time.
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