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Old 08-02-2019, 12:05 AM
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It's pretty clear that Hahn views Colome as our closer next year as well.

This organization (usually to it's detriment) has never embraced advanced statistical measures.
How do you know this? Do they tell you their methods?
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Old 08-02-2019, 07:21 AM
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So you want to trade Colome so you can complain next year about the Sox not having a legitimate closer? The whole point of a rebuild is to create a core to build a team around, not engage in perpetual trading forever as you and so many others here want to do.
A one-year-left-on-his-contract, 30 year-old, so-so closer is not a core piece of any team's rebuild. Well, not any good team.
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Old 08-02-2019, 08:28 AM
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So you want to trade Colome so you can complain next year about the Sox not having a legitimate closer? The whole point of a rebuild is to create a core to build a team around, not engage in perpetual trading forever as you and so many others here want to do.
He's old and his peripherals say his production is a mirage...and by a lot. They're probably still going into next year without a legitimate closer.

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How do you know this? Do they tell you their methods?
Same team that traded the farm for a regressing James Shields when every analyst out there said the team's production was a mirage and buying was dumb, notwithstanding the lack of analytics necessary to deem Shields a worthy trade piece.
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Old 08-02-2019, 08:45 AM
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Bowden’s article in the athletic graded ya a D-, the first non F I have seen. He said there was significant interest from contenders in Colome
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Old 08-02-2019, 09:59 AM
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He's old and his peripherals say his production is a mirage...and by a lot. They're probably still going into next year without a legitimate closer.



Same team that traded the farm for a regressing James Shields when every analyst out there said the team's production was a mirage and buying was dumb, notwithstanding the lack of analytics necessary to deem Shields a worthy trade piece.
It would have been helpful if the Padres didn't withhold information that should have been made available.
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Old 08-02-2019, 10:03 AM
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Bowden’s article in the athletic graded ya a D-, the first non F I have seen. He said there was significant interest from contenders in Colome
I saw that, too. Sox got the worst grade of any team. Rough.
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Old 08-02-2019, 10:06 AM
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It would have been helpful if the Padres didn't withhold information that should have been made available.

Oh did they withhold his regressing statistics for the previous two years?


I get the medical issue. But advanced stats already told you there was a problem.
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Old 08-02-2019, 10:21 AM
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Has it ever occurred to any of you attacking the front office with very little substantive information that the other teams were asking for too much? We're talking "Gives us Robert" or "Give us Madrigal"

Don't forget, it takes a minimum of two partners to dance the Trade Dance.

Who here would have given up Robert or Madrigal for a player who will retire long before Robert and Madrigal hang it up? Why do you want a stud for a season (2019) that will still go nowhere with the stud?
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Old 08-02-2019, 10:25 AM
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Bowden’s article in the athletic graded ya a D-, the first non F I have seen. He said there was significant interest from contenders in Colome
But we don't know what that interest was and what was being proposed. And maybe Bowden doesn't know specifics about what was offered to the Sox for Colome, only that there was "significant interest."

And how do we know that the Sox can't get more for Colome -- if they do indeed want to trade him -- in the off season when 12 to 15 teams might be interested, as opposed to just a handful of teams this past July 31?

Trading or not trading Colome does not really affect the long-term plans for the Sox.

The immediate future of the Sox is dependent on acquiring proven starting pitching this off season that can solidify a build a solid rotation that has but a couple of pieces today.
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Old 08-02-2019, 11:10 AM
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But we don't know what that interest was and what was being proposed. And maybe Bowden doesn't know specifics about what was offered to the Sox for Colome, only that there was "significant interest."

And how do we know that the Sox can't get more for Colome -- if they do indeed want to trade him -- in the off season when 12 to 15 teams might be interested, as opposed to just a handful of teams this past July 31?

Trading or not trading Colome does not really affect the long-term plans for the Sox.

The immediate future of the Sox is dependent on acquiring proven starting pitching this off season that can solidify a build a solid rotation that has but a couple of pieces today.
Stop making sense. This is what kills rants.
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Old 08-02-2019, 11:26 AM
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Has it ever occurred to any of you attacking the front office with very little substantive information that the other teams were asking for too much? We're talking "Gives us Robert" or "Give us Madrigal"

Don't forget, it takes a minimum of two partners to dance the Trade Dance.

Who here would have given up Robert or Madrigal for a player who will retire long before Robert and Madrigal hang it up? Why do you want a stud for a season (2019) that will still go nowhere with the stud?
Not acquiring a big name was not really the problem. The problem was not selling Colomé. Honestly, I would rather see Bummer as the closer next year anyway. Much cheaper option.
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Old 08-02-2019, 11:36 AM
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You kind of have to follow trends -

The relief market was very closely priced in trades, so was Colome worth what similar RP went for?

Relief Pitchers tend to have premium prices in July and bargain trices in January for trades. Nature of the position.

My guess is the Sox think they can contend next year, and decided to keep him for that reason..... Which is great.... If they plan to actually make the roster better. But this team is way more than Robert and Madrigal away.

I also don't get the point in saying what if they were asking for Madrigal or Robert.. we were not going to GIVE AWAY a prospect to deal Abreu or Colome?

I have been one of the biggest Rick Hahn defenders on this board, but it really seems by all accounts he misplayed his hand here.
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Old 08-02-2019, 12:21 PM
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We have no idea what was actually offered for Colome.

If the offers weren't very good, why not keep him? Even if he doesn't close next year, he still can be a reliable piece in the bullpen.
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Old 08-02-2019, 01:02 PM
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He's old and his peripherals say his production is a mirage...and by a lot. They're probably still going into next year without a legitimate closer.



Same team that traded the farm for a regressing James Shields when every analyst out there said the team's production was a mirage and buying was dumb, notwithstanding the lack of analytics necessary to deem Shields a worthy trade piece.
This is hilarious. Some are suggesting Colome's strong '19 is smoke and mirrors and yet are upset the Sox couldn't flip him for some legit prospects.

You can't make this stuff up.

Virtually every argument made in this thread is done so with the absence of facts. It's all supposition clouded by a hatred of the Sox front office.
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Old 08-02-2019, 01:43 PM
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So they won't extend the Abreu. This begs the question: you couldn't trade him? Fans get too upset - if they aren't upset over this 4-16 stretch and impending 90 loss season, what will upset them?
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