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Old 01-11-2019, 12:39 PM
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DJ LeMahieu to the Yankees on a two-year deal worth $24 million.
Gleybar, Andujar, Tulo and Didi at some point in 2019. Why do the Yanks feel they need DJ?
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Old 01-11-2019, 01:13 PM
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Old 01-11-2019, 01:32 PM
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Gleybar, Andujar, Tulo and Didi at some point in 2019. Why do the Yanks feel they need DJ?
He's super utility, for all positions. All those guys have injury issues. And he'll also get time at first base.

The bigger question is why DJ settled. He's a GG caliber 2B with a great hit tool. Market was saturated, but there had to be better opportunities. Probably came down to the money.
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Old 01-11-2019, 01:41 PM
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He's super utility, for all positions. All those guys have injury issues. And he'll also get time at first base.

The bigger question is why DJ settled. He's a GG caliber 2B with a great hit tool. Market was saturated, but there had to be better opportunities. Probably came down to the money.
Almost always does.
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Old 01-11-2019, 02:42 PM
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Almost always does.
Plus a pretty good chance to win a championship.
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Old 01-11-2019, 04:53 PM
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****ing Yankees are buying everyone in site. Seems the Luxury Tax reset / penalties are being taken advantage of by the teams that can most afford to actually pay such a tax.

Typical...the rich get richer.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:29 PM
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There's a lot of people on this site that are still living in the past when it comes to player salaries.

Nolan Arrenado is going to arbitration. The Rockies are offering him $24 million. He is countering with $30 million. For a year of his rookie contract. He's yet to lose an arbitration, and will probably win this one.


What do you suppose he'll get per year as a free agent if his rookie contract pays him $30 million? He's certainly not going to take that amount or less per year.


The new salary floors make the deals you're used to non-existant.
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Old 01-12-2019, 01:02 AM
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There's a lot of people on this site that are still living in the past when it comes to player salaries.

Nolan Arrenado is going to arbitration. The Rockies are offering him $24 million. He is countering with $30 million. For a year of his rookie contract. He's yet to lose an arbitration, and will probably win this one.


What do you suppose he'll get per year as a free agent if his rookie contract pays him $30 million? He's certainly not going to take that amount or less per year.


The new salary floors make the deals you're used to non-existant.
I suspect he'll wind up signing a long term deal with Colorado, especially if they make the playoffs again.

By the way deGrom and Betts signed huge deals today as well avoiding arbitration.
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Old 01-12-2019, 04:23 AM
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There's a lot of people on this site that are still living in the past when it comes to player salaries.
There are a lot of people on this site that believe that easy money will continue ad infinitum.

Operating income (down), along with attendance (down), will be interesting metrics to watch.
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Old 01-12-2019, 01:35 PM
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There are a lot of people on this site that believe that easy money will continue ad infinitum.

Operating income (down), along with attendance (down), will be interesting metrics to watch.
The attendance argument already belies the reality of major league revenues in today's environment.

Guys four and five years in - still on their rookie deals - are getting $20 million per season. That's what arbitration is finding fair based on revenue.

If the White Sox operate like they used to, they'll be non-tendering guys in the midst of their arbitrations. Multiple $20+ million dollar players is the norm.
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The attendance argument already belies the reality of major league revenues in today's environment.

Guys four and five years in - still on their rookie deals - are getting $20 million per season. That's what arbitration is finding fair based on revenue.

If the White Sox operate like they used to, they'll be non-tendering guys in the midst of their arbitrations. Multiple $20+ million dollar players is the norm.
I thought arbitration was based on what others putting up similar numbers got paid, not revenue.
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I thought arbitration was based on what others putting up similar numbers got paid, not revenue.
It's based on what is "fair". Teams try to pigeon it to similar players, and a lot of agents like to use comparables as a base. But they bring up everything in the arguments. It's not only based on that player, but what's "fair" for that type of production based on any number of factors.

The Red Sox just gave a first year arbitration eligible player $20 million. They didn't do that to thank him for a great season. They did it because they were afraid they'd lose arbitration at a higher value and hedged their bets.

If it were only based on comparables, arbitration figures wouldn't climb much. Instead, they're climbing consistently each year - both what's awarded and what teams are settling on in trying to avoid arbitration. It isn't that a better player hits arbitration every year. It's that the landscape continues to allow for greater salaries for the same production.

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****ing Yankees are buying everyone in site. Seems the Luxury Tax reset / penalties are being taken advantage of by the teams that can most afford to actually pay such a tax.

Typical...the rich get richer.
I would never want to defend the Yankees, but all I see is a team taking advantage of having a good young core. Even with the signing of Britton, Happ, LeMahieu and Tulowitzki their current payrolls sits at $190 million. Once they sign Severino, they'll almost be at the the threshold and will have to make a decision on how to pay Judge.
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Old 01-12-2019, 04:26 PM
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There are a lot of people on this site that believe that easy money will continue ad infinitum.

Operating income (down), along with attendance (down), will be interesting metrics to watch.
The solution is simple but the MLBPA won't go for it. Because it would mean their older veterans having to give up more money so that younger players could get paid more sooner. If a 4.0 WAR 24 year old hits free agency, they'll get many more years and dollars per than a 2.0 WAR veteran who's 32. Salary isn't about past performance rather than future performance (as it should be).

I really, really hope the younger stars step up to the plate here and push back on the older veterans.
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The solution is simple but the MLBPA won't go for it. Because it would mean their older veterans having to give up more money so that younger players could get paid more sooner. If a 4.0 WAR 24 year old hits free agency, they'll get many more years and dollars per than a 2.0 WAR veteran who's 32. Salary isn't about past performance rather than future performance (as it should be).

I really, really hope the younger stars step up to the plate here and push back on the older veterans.
Well teams are a lot less willing to invest substantially in players over 30 these days and most players are on the way out by 33. So it makes sense for the teams to invest in their younger players anyway.
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