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Old 10-17-2018, 11:57 AM
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To answer your first question, not sure how many players spent their whole careers with the team, but eight players have logged in ten or more years of major league service exclusively with the White Sox:

CORRECTION: NINE players

Luke Appling 1930-50
Ted Lyons 1923-46
Red Faber 1914-33
Johnny Mostil 1918, 1921-29
Lee Tannehill 1903-12
Orval Grove 1940-49
Ron Karkovice 1986-97
Mike Squires 1975, 1977-85
John Danks 2007-16
Didn't Billy Pierce play for the Sox from 1949 - 1961?
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:17 PM
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Didn't Billy Pierce play for the Sox from 1949 - 1961?
In between stints with the Tigers and Giants. My list was guys who played for the Sox and no other teams.
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:21 PM
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In between stints with the Tigers and Giants. My list was guys who played for the Sox and no other teams.
Got it.
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Old 10-20-2018, 03:37 PM
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1917 Champ Red Faber played with Luke Appling who played with Nellie Fox who played with Eddie Fisher who played with Jerry Hairston who played with Carlton Fisk who played with Frank Thomas who played with 2005 Champ Paul Konerko.
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Old 10-20-2018, 04:30 PM
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1917 Champ Red Faber played with Luke Appling who played with Nellie Fox who played with Eddie Fisher who played with Jerry Hairston who played with Carlton Fisk who played with Frank Thomas who played with 2005 Champ Paul Konerko.
Can reduce the number of connections with:

Red Faber and Luke Appling
Luke Appling and Nellie Fox
Nellie Fox and Minnie Minoso
Minnie Minoso and Harold Baines
Harold Baines and Paul Konerko
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Old 10-20-2018, 04:55 PM
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1917 Champ Red Faber played with Luke Appling who played with Nellie Fox who played with Eddie Fisher who played with Jerry Hairston who played with Carlton Fisk who played with Frank Thomas who played with 2005 Champ Paul Konerko.
Just to be picky Frank himself was on the 2005 team and received a ring while on the DL. He played in 34 games and had an OPS of .905 including a 1.026 OPS with 8 HR and a .698 SLG in the month of June when the Sox ran away with the division.
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Old 10-20-2018, 07:12 PM
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Can reduce the number of connections with:

Red Faber and Luke Appling
Luke Appling and Nellie Fox
Nellie Fox and Minnie Minoso
Minnie Minoso and Harold Baines
Harold Baines and Paul Konerko
Using Minnie is cheating.

He played for 100 years.


It's bizarre to me it takes just one guy to jump from Nellie Fox to Harold Baines.
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Old 10-23-2018, 01:05 PM
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James Shields' tenure with the Sox sure seemed like the longest.
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Old 10-23-2018, 06:15 PM
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James Shields' tenure with the Sox sure seemed like the longest.
Made me laugh. Easily in Jaime Navarro territory and beyond.
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Old 10-23-2018, 06:32 PM
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Thanks. Who else had a Sox career that couldn't end soon enough?

Navarro was certainly one.

I named Shields because of recency, because he was awful from his first moment with the Sox, and because he came with a hefty contract that we knew we were stuck with. He served a purpose in 2017-2018 but I still couldn't stand to watch his starts.
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Old 10-23-2018, 06:44 PM
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From what I've heard, Lopez never cared for Pierce. In the '59 World Series against the Dodgers Pierce failed to get a start in the 6-game series. Wynn got 3 starts, Shaw got 2 and Donovan got 1 start. Pierce did work two games in relief, giving up 0 earned runs over 4 innings. During the regular season he was 14-15 with a 3.62 era. Was he hurt or did Lopez not trust him? Odd that he saw so little action, even though he was a regular starter during the regular season and a mainstay on the Sox pitching staff during the late 50s.
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Old 10-23-2018, 08:22 PM
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From what I've heard, Lopez never cared for Pierce. In the '59 World Series against the Dodgers Pierce failed to get a start in the 6-game series. Wynn got 3 starts, Shaw got 2 and Donovan got 1 start. Pierce did work two games in relief, giving up 0 earned runs over 4 innings. During the regular season he was 14-15 with a 3.62 era. Was he hurt or did Lopez not trust him? Odd that he saw so little action, even though he was a regular starter during the regular season and a mainstay on the Sox pitching staff during the late 50s.
Having personally known Bill and talked about this with him one of the factors was that he had hurt his hip in 1959 and missed about six weeks. It was in fact a down year for him and that probably influenced Lopez' decision. Also the fact that Bob Shaw played so well came into play.

No question Bill was hurt by the decision but it was out of his hands as he told me in his interview:

ML: Your career continued to roll along culminating with the pennant year of 1959. For the city and the team it was the pinnacle of success, but for you personally, it wasnít your best season. You missed six weeks with a hip injury and when it came time for the World Series, Manager Al Lopez passed you over for a starting assignment. Older Sox fans still insist, if you start Game #2, instead of Bob Shaw, and win, the Sox take the Series. How difficult was that for you being relegated to only four innings of relief work?

BP: "It was very tough. It was a real hard thing. I appeared in three games and pitched well but it was a disappointment. I still wanted the Sox to win, after all, they were my teammates but I was very glad when it was over. Letís put it this way, I left town pretty quickly to try to forget about it all."

ML: Did that affect your relationship with Lopez, and what did you think of him as a manager?

BP: "Al was a real good manager. His record shows that. He was a solid percentage baseball guy. I honestly think the controversy affected Al more than me. I wasnít the culprit; all I could do was what he told me. He had to listen to the fans who wanted me to pitch but I couldnít do anything about it."

From everything I've heard and been told Al respected Bill and there weren't any issues between them. He just felt that Bill's injury may have compromised his ability to win in the series. Looking back it was a mistake because in a limited role Bill pitched well but at the time, Al made the decision he thought best based on the information he had at the time.
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Old 10-23-2018, 08:34 PM
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Having personally known Bill and talked about this with him one of the factors was that he had hurt his hip in 1959 and missed about six weeks. It was in fact a down year for him and that probably influenced Lopez' decision. Also the fact that Bob Shaw played so well came into play.

No question Bill was hurt by the decision but it was out of his hands as he told me in his interview:

ML: Your career continued to roll along culminating with the pennant year of 1959. For the city and the team it was the pinnacle of success, but for you personally, it wasn’t your best season. You missed six weeks with a hip injury and when it came time for the World Series, Manager Al Lopez passed you over for a starting assignment. Older Sox fans still insist, if you start Game #2, instead of Bob Shaw, and win, the Sox take the Series. How difficult was that for you being relegated to only four innings of relief work?

BP: "It was very tough. It was a real hard thing. I appeared in three games and pitched well but it was a disappointment. I still wanted the Sox to win, after all, they were my teammates but I was very glad when it was over. Let’s put it this way, I left town pretty quickly to try to forget about it all."

ML: Did that affect your relationship with Lopez, and what did you think of him as a manager?

BP: "Al was a real good manager. His record shows that. He was a solid percentage baseball guy. I honestly think the controversy affected Al more than me. I wasn’t the culprit; all I could do was what he told me. He had to listen to the fans who wanted me to pitch but I couldn’t do anything about it."

From everything I've heard and been told Al respected Bill and there weren't any issues between them. He just felt that Bill's injury may have compromised his ability to win in the series. Looking back it was a mistake because in a limited role Bill pitched well but at the time, Al made the decision he thought best based on the information he had at the time.
Al Lopez in my book is the best Sox manager of all time but he made a huge mistake when he started Wynn on 2 days rest in game 6. Early pitched well in game 1 when the Sox blew out the Dodgers 11-0, not so good in game in game 4 when LA touched Wynn for 4 runs in the 4th. Game 6 came around and the Dodgers jumped all over Wynn again, different outcome if Billy started game 6? I like to think so.
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Old 10-23-2018, 10:11 PM
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Thanks Lip and Little Nell. I figured you guys would have some valuable insights into why Pierce was passed over for a start in the WS of 1959.
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Old 10-23-2018, 10:22 PM
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Thanks Lip and Little Nell. I figured you guys would have some valuable insights into why Pierce was passed over for a start in the WS of 1959.
Good stuff that I didn't know. Thx. And I'm the one who keeps telling you he was on the Tigers' roster in the '45 WS but didn't play.
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