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Old 12-10-2019, 07:43 PM
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This would be the prototypical White Sox move. Trade for a guy with some upside and hope for the best, rather than commit money to a guy with a proven track record.
in this, they will likely trade away guys with BETTER upside for someone who is not a good player after several years in the league.
Just sign Avi- he's better.
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Old 12-10-2019, 07:46 PM
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He's a lot worse than the free agents available. Like...if you don't want to pay a premium, why not look at Puig or Avi? They'll both end up with a one or two year commitment and not cost you a prospect (or pick).
Avi, Puig, or Nick Castellanos. If Castellanos and Mazara have defensive challenges; go with Nick who costs us only cash.
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Old 12-10-2019, 07:47 PM
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This would be the prototypical White Sox move. Trade for a guy with some upside and hope for the best, rather than commit money to a guy with a proven track record.
Yeah, like Jermaine Dye, Ellis Burks, Alex Rios, Yasmani Grandal, Zack Wheeler, etc...

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Old 12-10-2019, 07:50 PM
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Jeff Passan reporting that there's a bidding war going on for David Price.


Don't see the Red Sox needing to package a player to get someone to take on his salary.
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Old 12-10-2019, 07:54 PM
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Jeff Passan reporting that there's a bidding war going on for David Price.


Don't see the Red Sox needing to package a player to get someone to take on his salary.
You are misinterpreting what's going on. There is interest in him because it's common knowledge that the Red Sox need to cut payroll and Price is an obvious candidate. There is a lot of interest in him because teams think the Red Sox will eat a lot of money on him or attach a good player with him.

There isn't some frenzy of teams offering good trade packages for a full contract Price.
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Old 12-10-2019, 07:55 PM
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Jeff Passan reporting that there's a bidding war going on for David Price.


Don't see the Red Sox needing to package a player to get someone to take on his salary.
Passan's tweet literally says the opposite that they could attach a player

"The Boston Red Sox continue to pursue ways to shed salary, and multiple teams have targeted starter David Price, sources tell ESPN. He is owed $96 million over the next three years. Red Sox could either attach player with value or potentially pay down some of Price's remaining $."
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Old 12-10-2019, 07:56 PM
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Passan's tweet literally says the opposite that they could attach a player

"The Boston Red Sox continue to pursue ways to shed salary, and multiple teams have targeted starter David Price, sources tell ESPN. He is owed $96 million over the next three years. Red Sox could either attach player with value or potentially pay down some of Price's remaining $."

I just watched him on ESPN field that question and he said it's looking unlikely they'd need to do that.
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Old 12-10-2019, 08:06 PM
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Trade for a guy with some upside and hope for the best
More like "trade for a guy with some upside and ignore the reality of the current player".

He's barely above replacement level: only 1.8 career WAR after four seasons in the league. Career 93 OPS+. Not a great fielder.

Would undoubtedly cost more than a replacement level player.

Even Bradley Jr. (career 92 OPS+) would be a much better acquisition, and I don't want Bradley Jr.
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Old 12-10-2019, 08:07 PM
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I just watched him on ESPN field that question and he said it's looking unlikely they'd need to do that.
Thanks for clarifying I had MLB Network on so missed Passan on TV
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Old 12-10-2019, 08:10 PM
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Mazara may have some upside, but you can't pay much for that because he hasn't shown it in several seasons. And his value as a player based on performance is shudderingly low. Steele Walker would be too much. He also has only 2 years of control. Maybe Sheets because the Sox have some depth there...if they must trade for him. And absolutely no pitching.
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Old 12-10-2019, 08:21 PM
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Thanks for clarifying I had MLB Network on so missed Passan on TV

I guess I'm not the only one flipping constantly between the two.
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Old 12-10-2019, 08:42 PM
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More on Mazara...damn. This seems downright likely. https://sportsmockery.com/2019/12/re...tBHJ15A546GB3o
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Old 12-10-2019, 09:17 PM
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More on Mazara...damn. This seems downright likely. https://sportsmockery.com/2019/12/re...tBHJ15A546GB3o
Given that you would expect Masara to platoon with Leury, giving the Sox around or slightly above league average production in RF, I would be okay with this move provided:

1) the return to TX is nothing more than a Tier 2 prospect at a position where the Sox are deep. Walker or Sheets would both be acceptable, but definitely not pitching or a more reliable prospect.

2) the Sox use the money saved by filling the RF hole this way to bring in two reliable(ish) mid-rotation type guys. Thinking Price at a cost to the Sox of $$20-$22M AAV and no significant exchange of prospects and one of MadBum or Keuchel at a 2-3 year deal in the neighborhood of $12-15M AAV.

That would project to be a very good lineup in 2020 and 2021, and an above average to good rotation during the same years, at an annual payroll of something in the $130M/year range. seems realistic. Thoughts?
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Old 12-10-2019, 09:19 PM
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More on Mazara...damn. This seems downright likely. https://sportsmockery.com/2019/12/re...tBHJ15A546GB3o
Cheap LH platoon with team control and a league average glove. Sox aren't looking for a long term player there, but at 24 there's still a chance he could become better in his prime years which are starting now and running for the next 5.

I don't know much about him other than he crushed the Sox last year in at least one game IIRC. His career OPS+ is 112 vs RHP with an OPS just below .800.

If they can get him for marginal prospects, I have no major objections to this move. It's at worst a short term move for an inexpensive RF who leaves them money to play with for pitching.
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Old 12-10-2019, 09:20 PM
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The only way this trade is okay is if it’s part of a three team deal and the Sox wind up with a much more significant piece than this.

How much do we wanna bet international spending money is going to TEX as well?
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