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Old 11-24-2019, 10:23 AM
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A Mets writer is claiming the Sox are the highest bidder for Wheeler at the moment. Though I can't find anybody else backing it up so take it with a grain of salt.

Even if we don't end up with him I like this aggressiveness.
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Old 11-24-2019, 12:00 PM
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Regarding Mohoneyís suggestion for Moustakas: Does anyone think that Moustakas could play an acceptable RF?
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Old 11-24-2019, 12:14 PM
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He's never played an inning of outfield in his MLB career, I can't imagine that he'd be very effective in RF.
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Old 11-24-2019, 12:28 PM
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Forget Mous....I say swallow your pride and take Avi Garcia. He's cheap, improved his hitting, has gun-of-an-arm, and can cover the ground pretty well.
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Old 11-24-2019, 12:42 PM
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Forget Mous....I say swallow your pride and take Avi Garcia. He's cheap, improved his hitting, has gun-of-an-arm, and can cover the ground pretty well.

Avi's injury history is extensive, I don't think a long term contract would be worth it. Considering that Robert will be on the big league roster soon I don't think the White Sox are handing out a long term deal to a FA outfielder.
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Old 11-24-2019, 01:39 PM
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Avi's injury history is extensive, I don't think a long term contract would be worth it. Considering that Robert will be on the big league roster soon I don't think the White Sox are handing out a long term deal to a FA outfielder.
Thatís because Betts is getting one next winter.
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Old 11-24-2019, 01:35 PM
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Forget Mous....I say swallow your pride and take Avi Garcia. He's cheap, improved his hitting, has gun-of-an-arm, and can cover the ground pretty well.
We still would need a starting RF anyway.

Iím not talking about using Moose as an everyday OF. Iím talking about him shouldering some of the burden in LF, because I donít see how he possibly can be worse out there than Eloy. Ideally, Eloy would be getting more and more DH appearances with each passing year, because whenever the team is finally ready to be honest with themselves, he will become the primary DH. In the meantime, it would be advantageous to have 2 or 3 optionsówho actually can hitóto sub him out in late innings and against tough RHP. Hence the reason I would like to see if Madrigal and Moose can learn the position.

Moose or Villar at $10-12 million and JBJ at $10-12 million would round out this position player group quite nicely. Since this team is hell-bent on Eloy being the primary LF, JBJ in CF and Robert in RF would at least make it more palatable. All of those guys also provide much-needed LH power to the lineup. Engel can be the 4th OF, as long as his plate appearances are kept to a minimum.

Teams like the Astros, Dodgers, Red Sox, Cubs, Brewers, and Yankees are assembling rosters with starting-caliber players on the bench. They also have premier guys like Cody Bellinger and Kris Bryant playing multiple positions. With McCann taking a back seat to Grandal, we may be on the way to doing that ourselves.

All that would be left would be getting some pitching, which the team plans on doing anyway.
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Old 11-24-2019, 04:54 PM
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We still would need a starting RF anyway.

Iím not talking about using Moose as an everyday OF. Iím talking about him shouldering some of the burden in LF, because I donít see how he possibly can be worse out there than Eloy. Ideally, Eloy would be getting more and more DH appearances with each passing year, because whenever the team is finally ready to be honest with themselves, he will become the primary DH. In the meantime, it would be advantageous to have 2 or 3 optionsówho actually can hitóto sub him out in late innings and against tough RHP. Hence the reason I would like to see if Madrigal and Moose can learn the position.

Moose or Villar at $10-12 million and JBJ at $10-12 million would round out this position player group quite nicely. Since this team is hell-bent on Eloy being the primary LF, JBJ in CF and Robert in RF would at least make it more palatable. All of those guys also provide much-needed LH power to the lineup. Engel can be the 4th OF, as long as his plate appearances are kept to a minimum.

Teams like the Astros, Dodgers, Red Sox, Cubs, Brewers, and Yankees are assembling rosters with starting-caliber players on the bench. They also have premier guys like Cody Bellinger and Kris Bryant playing multiple positions. With McCann taking a back seat to Grandal, we may be on the way to doing that ourselves.

All that would be left would be getting some pitching, which the team plans on doing anyway.
I'm not sure you can count on a guy who has never played LF in his career to be better than a guy who has been doing it his whole life, even if Eloy's defense has been shaky. Also, with the Abreu extension, I can't see Eloy moving to DH until after 2022.

That said, if the Sox really are going to pump money into 2020 I agree with you that Moose would be an upgrade over Yolmer or Leury. It's a long shot it actually happens though, when there are so many more pressing needs than upgrading the bench.
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Old 11-24-2019, 01:02 PM
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Regarding Mohoneyís suggestion for Moustakas: Does anyone think that Moustakas could play an acceptable RF?
RF? No. Too difficult to make those throws without adequate experience.
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Old 11-24-2019, 10:54 PM
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RF? No. Too difficult to make those throws without adequate experience.
No, him not being suitable for RF has nothing to do with not having experience making throws to cut off men. That's just playing catch. Assuming he has the arm strength for a decent throw from right to 3b, the rest has to do with how he can read balls off the bat/ jumps on balls, routes, and overall speed to cover ground.

Moustakas could probably handle a corner OF spot, but he would be more useful playing there 20-30 games as a super sub than as a regular OFer.
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Old 11-24-2019, 11:09 PM
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No, him not being suitable for RF has nothing to do with not having experience making throws to cut off men. That's just playing catch. Assuming he has the arm strength for a decent throw from right to 3b, the rest has to do with how he can read balls off the bat/ jumps on balls, routes, and overall speed to cover ground.

Moustakas could probably handle a corner OF spot, but he would be more useful playing there 20-30 games as a super sub than as a regular OFer.
Youíre coming over the top on those OF throws instead of coming from underneath. It takes some time to get used to doing it full-speed. I agree that I would only do it sparingly, if at all.

Danny Mendick also played some LF in Charlotte last year.

They donít have to be great out there, just better than Eloy.
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Old 11-25-2019, 05:16 AM
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Eloy’s never going to get appreciably better out there. What we see is what we get.

As for Robert, I don’t think his arm would be a problem in RF.
I agree totally with you. I ask in general: What's Eloy's motivation to get better in the OF?

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Robert in RF has Eaton in right potential...but Robert is also GG caliber in CF which is way more important.
So Eaton who is average in at best in RF is the player comp you you see in Robert as a RFer?? But Robert in CF is GG material?

Really?
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Old 11-24-2019, 04:59 PM
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A Mets writer is claiming the Sox are the highest bidder for Wheeler at the moment. Though I can't find anybody else backing it up so take it with a grain of salt.

Even if we don't end up with him I like this aggressiveness.
Nice to see. Heyman confirms the Sox interest, and also says that Wheeler wants to give the mets the opportunity to match any offer, though the Mets look ready to move on.

I still think the Sox should at least entertain the idea of Cole/Strasburg who are much safer bets going forward. That said if both of those guys are intent on dragging things out until Feb/March, then I see why they would prefer to go after Wheeler now and not risk going home empty-handed.
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Old 11-25-2019, 04:31 PM
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Hamels, Odorizzi and Bumgarner are only back of the rotation starters in some fantasy world in which MLB is filled with 1990s Braves rotations. I don't know how you guys keep making these claims without getting called out decisively.
Yup.

Bumgarner had a 3.2 fWAR last year. Hamels had a 2.5 fWAR last year, but he compiled it in only 141 innings. Hamelsís age means his production can fall off a cliff at any point, but Iím fairly confident that Bumgarner will be fine for 4 more years.

Long-term, the pitching staff hinges on what Giolito, Kopech, and Cease provide. Short-term, this adds 2 league-average or better LH veterans with postseason experience.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:42 PM
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The Cubs said they are flat broke for 2020 free agency.

It makes sense that a broke team is looking in the bargain bin with us. **** this ownership.
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