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Old 09-12-2019, 04:43 PM
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Default *OFFICIAL* 9.12.19 Flushed by the Royals

Very disappointing losing 2 of 3 to these guys and at home.
Add that to the 4 game sweep by the Royals on the last visit to KC and we finished 1-7 against them, just horrible. All was not lost, Palka had a hit and is now at .035.
Big news was that Giolito had 8 consecutive Ks, a new Sox record, too bad it came in a losing cause.
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Old 09-12-2019, 05:17 PM
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It was disappointing losing two of three to the Angels, a team that would look even worse in the standings if they hadn't handled the White Sox so well this year. It was more disappointing losing two of three to the Royals, especially in Chicago with the best starting pitching the White Sox can muster this year.

At the end of 2019. the White Sox should look better against bad teams. Losing isn't going to help them that much in the draft considering they are assured of third place in the AL Central. While it's refreshing to see the Royals not rolling over to improve their draft position, it's disappointing to see so little progress from the White Sox. It isn't that Palka getting an infield hit to raise his average to .039 is a bad omen for the future as Palka's future may well be in retail. Collins, though, continues not to impress, which is too frequent a subtext theme this year.

I hope this is an offensive breakout year for Anderson and to that career year. I hope that Moncada continues to hit next year as scouting reports adjust to him. I hope Jimenez continues to show improvement and hits with an Anderson batting average to supplement is home runs. But there is enough disappointment that despite the hope, I can't feel any optimism.
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Old 09-12-2019, 06:00 PM
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What on earth is Renteria thinking in having Moncada bunt in the 5th inning? Here is clearly one of you best bats on our team and Ricky thinks its a good idea to bunt? Plus Moncada has no clue how to bunt (and BTW the coaching staff should know that at this point in time). Steve Stone was critical and pointed out how Yoan has his top hand wrapped around the bat. This is a good way to end up with a broken finger. My friend was listening to the KC broadcasters and they were happy the Sox took the bat out of his hands (even though he did single). This is just plain stupid.
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Old 09-12-2019, 07:30 PM
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For those Sox fans who dreamt of a .500 season in 2019, that dream ended today. If the White Sox win their remaining 16 games, they'll still finish below .500.

Well, maybe 2020, or 2021 or........
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Old 09-12-2019, 07:59 PM
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There are just a lot of strange things.
Topping my list is using September to highlight the org. guys (and or guys who clearly won't be on the 40 man in the next month or two) instead of the prospects; or calling up so few prospects as it is. Even today, they bring in Mendick to hit for...Collins, when both should be playing all the time.

Sox run differential is 10 runs ahead of the Royals and 50 behind the Blue Jays. Not "proof" of anything, but circumstantial information of problems.

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Old 09-12-2019, 08:25 PM
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There are just a lot of strange things.
Topping my list is using September to highlight the org. guys (and or guys who clearly won't be on the 40 man in the next month or two) instead of the prospects; or calling up so few prospects as it is. Even today, they bring in Mendick to hit for...Collins, when both should be playing all the time.

Sox run differential is 10 runs ahead of the Royals and 50 behind the Blue Jays. Not "proof" of anything, but circumstantial information of problems.

Collins doesn't look like he's ready to be getting any playing time in the majors, certainly not as a DH.
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Old 09-13-2019, 04:05 AM
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Plus Moncada has no clue how to bunt (and BTW the coaching staff should know that at this point in time). Steve Stone was critical and pointed out how Yoan has his top hand wrapped around the bat.
It may have been a bad idea that Renteria had Moncada bunt. But if it's true that Moncada does not know how to bunt then that alone points out a bigger problem within the organization.
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Old 09-13-2019, 08:37 AM
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It may have been a bad idea that Renteria had Moncada bunt. But if it's true that Moncada does not know how to bunt then that alone points out a bigger problem within the organization.
Right. The bigger problem is that not all levels have realized bunting is not a recommended play.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:03 AM
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Right. The bigger problem is that not all levels have realized bunting is not a recommended play.
Making Yoan Moncada do it should result in dismissal and replacement.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:24 AM
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If you made a list of all the skills an MLB position player can have, and ranked them from most important for Yoan Moncada to least important for Yoan Moncada, bunting is probably going to be the lowest thing on the list.

Arguably, he would be better off practicing his pitching (in case of a blowout) than his bunting.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:32 AM
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If you made a list of all the skills an MLB position player can have, and ranked them from most important for Yoan Moncada to least important for Yoan Moncada, bunting is probably going to be the lowest thing on the list.

Arguably, he would be better off practicing his pitching (in case of a blowout) than his bunting.
Didn't he just lay down a bunt for an infield hit against the shift last week? Am I having one of my famous Voodoo brainfarts? I could have sworn I remember him doing this recently.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:43 AM
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Sign of the times: 15 of the 17 runs the Royals scored in the series were by way of the home run.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:58 AM
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Arguably, he would be better off practicing his pitching (in case of a blowout) than his bunting.
Good luck finding someone to argue that point.
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Old 09-13-2019, 01:11 PM
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It may have been a bad idea that Renteria had Moncada bunt. But if it's true that Moncada does not know how to bunt then that alone points out a bigger problem within the organization.
I don't know that Moncada can't bunt and certainly don't know that the White Sox can be blamed for him not knowing how to bunt. He successfully sacrificed in a game against the Twins in May and sacrificed twice last year. He was credited with six sacrifice bunts in the Red Sox minor league system and nine sacrifice bunts while playing in Cuba, which is a little high considering that some Cubans come to the US never having bunted in their lives. Excluding appearances where Moncada has missed bunts or fouled off bunts early in the count where and moved on from bunting, Moncada has bunted five times with the White Sox recording three sacrifices and two hits, which may have been attempted sacrifices that he beat out for hits. So his batting average on bunts is 1.000. A hitter with an awkward bunt attempt no more doesn't know how to bunt than a hitter with an awkward swing doesn't know how to hit.

The idea that a hitter giving himself up with a bunt single should get the manager fired while a hitter giving himself up to take a walk should draw praise for the hitting coach, which is the logical extension of this ongoing discussion, is nonsense.
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Old 09-13-2019, 01:59 PM
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Going into this season i was hoping we would look like the 1989 White Sox in the 2nd half- that season- the White Sox played .507 ball in the 2nd half, and showed some real energy and life under Torborg that foreshadowed the exciting 1990 season.

The end of the 2019 season is pretty "meh"- with no interesting September call ups, and Fulmer and Collins looking like busts as 1st round draft choices (along with Burdi and Burger- due to injuries), and playing time going inexplicably to irrelevant players like Castillo, Palka, Skole, etc.)- and I don't really see the energy, focus and progress under Rentaria that I saw under Torborg 30 years ago.

I'm sure we'll be much improved in 2020 just based on Robert, Madrigal and Kopech being in the mix- but not a very exciting ending to year 3 of the rebuild.
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