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Old 08-21-2019, 12:16 PM
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Default Renteria doesn't care what you think about his lineups

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/8/...cs-stats-geeks
I know these have been a common complaint, but Ricky really hasn't said anything about them until now.
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Old 08-21-2019, 01:11 PM
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Margalus's commentary on the quote:

https://www.soxmachine.com/2019/08/2...tics-which-ok/
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Old 08-21-2019, 06:18 PM
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Even though I don’t like his lineups, I’d lose some respect for RR if he did care what us fans thought.
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Old 08-21-2019, 06:52 PM
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Even though I don’t like his lineups, I’d lose some respect for RR if he did care what us fans thought.
Yeah, it's not like we didn't have threads about how Ozzie's awful lineups and how he didn't care what we thought. Probably had threads about Ventura and Manuel, too.
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Old 08-22-2019, 10:56 AM
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I may have issues with RR's lineups at times but I agree with him. It is his job to set the lineups. Input from the fans is not his concern and not important. The only input that counts is from his boss(es).
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Old 08-22-2019, 05:21 PM
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I'll take a guys input from a lifetime in baseball over fans' complaints. Let him make the lineups and if Hahn decides he's not doing well, let Hahn influence or remove him
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Old 08-22-2019, 09:59 PM
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I'm fine with playing the game on the field with experience, and not on a spreadsheet.
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Old 08-23-2019, 04:50 PM
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This stooge had Jon Jay hit cleanup. More than once. On purpose. That alone is a fireable offense.

I notice he’s walking back some of this as well. God he sucks...
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Old 08-26-2019, 12:04 PM
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I'm way late in posting this but I didn't necessarily mind anything that Renteria said and I'm not a huge fan of his. I think stats should inform his decisions but not necessarily dictate them.

Going off the numbers alone might make you think Moncada should leadoff, but if Renteria or any manager knows that for whatever reason, Moncada just doesn't feel comfortable batting leadoff, it would be stupid to keep trying to force him to leadoff.
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:41 PM
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I read recently that a lot of the advanced analyses show that lineup construction has very little effect on run production. So maybe we shouldn’t get too hung up about it?
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Old 08-26-2019, 02:21 PM
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I read recently that a lot of the advanced analyses show that lineup construction has very little effect on run production. So maybe we shouldn’t get too hung up about it?
It won’t have much of an effect if it keeps changing every day. Changing it every day gets rid of all the marginal advantages that can be gained. The randomness will always be there on the outcomes side, so eliminating as much randomness as possible on the decision-making side is what this is really all about.

Randomly placing Jon Jay’s utter uselessness 2nd , 4th , 5th , or really any spot other than 9th, means that the most useless bat on the team (if not the league) is incrementally getting more plate appearances than he should be getting. On an individual-game basis, he becomes incrementally more likely to get in the batter’s box in the 8th or 9th inning and burn an out when the team is trying to come back from a deficit or pad a lead.

You’re absolutely right. These differences are small. A great manager probably provides anywhere between 3 and 5 extra wins, and a poor manager probably provides anywhere between 3 and 5 extra losses.

However, what I have seen from Renteria these past 3 seasons leads me to place him squarely in that latter group. He simply fails to adjust quickly enough when his best-case scenarios (Alonso hitting 4th, Anderson buried at 7th, etc) have proven themselves to be unsustainable. He stubbornly ignores data-driven solutions to his team’s problems. Those are not things that he will change, and he admitted as much to reporters.
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Old 08-26-2019, 03:19 PM
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Anderson hit 7th because that is where he was comfortable. Since he's been back he's been in the 2 hole more often and that's due to Tim embracing hitting 2nd and becoming more comfortable in that spot. I know it's easy to sit back and say he should have been hitting 2nd all year, but if the player is not comfortable then why try to force it?
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Old 08-26-2019, 03:55 PM
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Anderson hit 7th because that is where he was comfortable. Since he's been back he's been in the 2 hole more often and that's due to Tim embracing hitting 2nd and becoming more comfortable in that spot. I know it's easy to sit back and say he should have been hitting 2nd all year, but if the player is not comfortable then why try to force it?
Did Anderson really say that?
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This stooge had Jon Jay hit cleanup. More than once. On purpose. That alone is a fireable offense.
Yep. That was totally asinine. Batting Anderson seventh was ridiculous, too.
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Old 09-03-2019, 04:28 PM
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This team has been sloppy and undisciplined since the All Star break- no excuse for that on a rebuilding team- I don't think Rentaria should be brought back for 2020.

Of course he will be- since no one ever really gets fired for performance in a Reinsdorf organization- but I would like to see Vizquel in the role (with full authority to build his own coaching staff).
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