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Old 09-05-2019, 04:03 PM
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You said “far more clunkers than dazzlers.” That is not at all true.
I guess it depends on how you define "clunkers" and "dazzlers." I can say that Lopez has had one month thus far this season with an ERA under 5.2.

He's started 29 games so far, going by quality starts (which is not a great stat but will work), I count 14 quality starts, which would mean 15 of them didn't qualify as quality starts.

So, I don't know. Two of those starts he gave up two runs or fewer but didn't throw at least six innings, so I guess those could qualify as "dazzlers."
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:14 PM
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Lopez had a crap first half, but a pretty good second half including 2 of his last 3 starts being nothing short of dominant (sandwiched around an all-time crapper). But for a young player, IMO what's more relevant is the improvement over the season. Particularly given that there were specific things that he pointed to changing post-ASB.

If he can just be a solid #3-4, then with Cease also showing flashes (yes it's just flashes, but again, young player), and GIolito looking like a bonafide #1 or at least a top-end #2, you've got the makings of a pretty good rotation before you get to a potential offseason addition. Someone like Cole at the front makes it potentially dominant.

And that would pair with a lineup that's got similar really good young players demonstrating how good they can be in Eloy, TA, Moncada with Abreu and McCann as solid/steady vets and Collins looking like he's a much improved hitter in his albiet short stint back up. Add Robert and Madrigal and that's a potentially dominant lineup to go with the rotation.

Which is why in this current situation, I'd back the truck up for an SP even if it means I roll Leury out in RF or Cordell/Engel or someone. The lineup can take one D-first, weak bat player given the rest of the guys. Ideally add an SP and an RF but SP is far far far and away more important.
I'm not quite so sure I'm ready to call Giolito a bonafide number one because he is just one year removed from being literally the worst pitcher in baseball last year.

However! Barring any injuries, it is not totally inconceivable that the Sox could wind up having a really good starting rotation if Giolito continues to pitch like has this year, Lopez pitches like he has in the second half, Kopech comes back healthy and Cease takes a step forward.
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:30 PM
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A guy once ran his car into a tree because he covered his windshield with all kinds of stats regarding speed, traffic, odds of a collision with another vehicle, etc. because they would help him avoid an accident.

Damn fool could not see the bend in the road.

Stop look at the stats of developing players. They are meaningless. Look at the progress instead.
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:42 PM
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Appling, Thomas ..... Anderson? A reason to keeping watching.
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Old 09-05-2019, 06:21 PM
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Were you thinking that six days ago when Lopez lasted 2/3 of an inning giving up six hits and six earned runs?

Lopez has an ERA of 5.17 for the year, after today's game. The White Sox average 4.24 runs per game, a 5.17 ERA generally isn't going to cut it.

Lopez can dazzle on occasion, I'll admit it, but he's had a lot more clunkers than dazzlers.
Over the Second half of this season over 11 starts, Lopez has posted a 3.76 ERA with 52K in 53 IP and a .247 BAA. That includes the stinker and the 8/13 game where he gave up 5 ER in 5.1 IP.. In the other 9 games he's given up 12 Earned runs total. Over that stretch he's mostly faced teams in playoff contention including today's gem.

Last year he posted a 3.91 ERA and his career ERA is 4.63 (before today's game is factored in)

Bad outings are to be expected from young pitchers. Progress is rarely linear or exponential but tends to have it's ups and downs with hopefully a steadily upward trend.

I understand it doesn't fit your narrative, but Lopez is going to be just fine.
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Old 09-05-2019, 06:27 PM
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Appling, Thomas ..... Anderson? A reason to keeping watching.
Pity that batting average doesn't mean anything anymore.
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Old 09-05-2019, 06:55 PM
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Over the Second half of this season over 11 starts, Lopez has posted a 3.76 ERA with 52K in 53 IP and a .247 BAA. That includes the stinker and the 8/13 game where he gave up 5 ER in 5.1 IP.. In the other 9 games he's given up 12 Earned runs total. Over that stretch he's mostly faced teams in playoff contention including today's gem.

Last year he posted a 3.91 ERA and his career ERA is 4.63 (before today's game is factored in)

Bad outings are to be expected from young pitchers. Progress is rarely linear or exponential but tends to have it's ups and downs with hopefully a steadily upward trend.

I understand it doesn't fit your narrative, but Lopez is going to be just fine.
Your optimism baffles me.
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Old 09-05-2019, 07:03 PM
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Your optimism baffles me.
Your negativity blows my mind...
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Old 09-05-2019, 07:09 PM
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Last three games of the series were pretty fun.
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Old 09-05-2019, 07:44 PM
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I mean, if a guy's gonna have a 5.17 ERA, I'd prefer it to be because he sometimes pitches a 1-run complete game and other times gets badly shelled, rather than he just gives up 6 runs every start.
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Old 09-05-2019, 08:11 PM
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Your negativity blows my mind...
2019 will be the seventh season in a row that the White will finish the year with a sub-.500 record. And, unless the Sox significantly improve their starting rotation in the off season, 2020 will the the eighth in a row.

Optimism in the face of that reality is what baffles me.
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2019 will be the seventh season in a row that the White will finish the year with a sub-.500 record. And, unless the Sox significantly improve their starting rotation in the off season, 2020 will the the eighth in a row.

Optimism in the face of that reality is what baffles me.
The last three are by design. Rotation will automatically be improved next year with the three young pitchers from this season all having one more year of experience, but I expect them to sign a #3 or better pitcher.

Offense will be better too, but unlike you I put weight on progress made by young players and don’t count early struggles against them when they show signs of improving as the year goes on.
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Every single negative poster in this thread is focusing on half of a season while ignoring the 2nd half of this year and the vast majority of last season.

Lopez has showed a ton of growth and is only 25. That should be a sign of optimism.

There is reason for optimism with Lopez, Giolito, Moncada, Anderson, Jimenez, Kopech, Roberts, Madrigal, Kopech, Bummer and even Cease and Collind.

There is also reason for optimism for Colome, McCann, Rodon and Abreu next season. That's 16 of 25 with perfectly fine bench players in Garcia and Sanchez (18 of 25). I like our odds.

The failures of Dunn, Laroche, Shark and Shields have NOTHING to do with their future performances.

I'm super pissed about the Bears and this negativity has me angry.
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Old 09-05-2019, 10:58 PM
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Every single negative poster in this thread is focusing on half of a season while ignoring the 2nd half of this year and the vast majority of last season.

Lopez has showed a ton of growth and is only 25. That should be a sign of optimism.

There is reason for optimism with Lopez, Giolito, Moncada, Anderson, Jimenez, Kopech, Roberts, Madrigal, Kopech, Bummer and even Cease and Collind.

There is also reason for optimism for Colome, McCann, Rodon and Abreu next season. That's 16 of 25 with perfectly fine bench players in Garcia and Sanchez (18 of 25). I like our odds.

The failures of Dunn, Laroche, Shark and Shields have NOTHING to do with their future performances.

I'm super pissed about the Bears and this negativity has me angry.
It's the Gordon Beckham syndrome. So many fans are convinced that the Sox prospects are doomed to failure that they cannot realize the current batch actually has a nice amount of talent.
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Old 09-05-2019, 11:20 PM
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It's the Gordon Beckham syndrome. So many fans are convinced that the Sox prospects are doomed to failure that they cannot realize the current batch actually has a nice amount of talent.
“Gordon Beckham Syndrome”

Hahahaha

You should trademark that ****. Spot on.
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