White Sox Interactive Forums
Sox Clubhouse
 Soxogram: 
GO SOX! DSNB!

Welcome
Go Back   White Sox Interactive Forums > Baseball Discussions > Sox Clubhouse
Home Chat Stats Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #61  
Old 09-04-2019, 10:07 AM
WhiteSox5187 WhiteSox5187 is offline
Winner 2016 WSI Preseason Prediction Contest
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Southside
Posts: 16,365
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by voodoochile View Post
That's crap. This team needs to be taking long looks at marginal prospects right now. It doesn't mean they will be on the team in two years, but for now it costs them nothing to look at Covey and Fulmer and Palka to name a few.
I'm not sure what else you can learn about any of those guys to be honest. Covey has pitched 244 innings, and while I think he's had flashes of being able to be effective in a certain role like an opener, I don't think the Sox care to use him in that role. I don't think them being up necessarily hurts anything this season but I also don't know what the team things they can learn about them.
__________________

Go Sox!!!
Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old 09-04-2019, 10:51 AM
Mohoney Mohoney is online now
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Palos Hills, IL
Posts: 12,066
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by voodoochile View Post
That's crap. This team needs to be taking long looks at marginal prospects right now. It doesn't mean they will be on the team in two years, but for now it costs them nothing to look at Covey and Fulmer and Palka to name a few.
It’s absolutely not crap. They refuse to jettison absolute dead-enders after inexplicably falling in love with them. They end up not getting the big fish in free agency. They fully plan on having Renteria at the helm when this team turns the corner. They sit on their hands at the trade deadline.

Looks pretty familiar to me, and I share his concerns that no amount of talent can ever be enough to “idiot-proof” this rebuild.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horsemaster Fred
This is the major leagues so get it how you live and let’s fight tomorrow.
Reply With Quote
  #63  
Old 09-04-2019, 10:58 AM
blandman blandman is online now
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Chicago
Posts: 4,024
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mohoney View Post
It’s absolutely not crap. They refuse to jettison absolute dead-enders after inexplicably falling in love with them. They end up not getting the big fish in free agency. They fully plan on having Renteria at the helm when this team turns the corner. They sit on their hands at the trade deadline.

Looks pretty familiar to me, and I share his concerns that no amount of talent can ever be enough to “idiot-proof” this rebuild.
These are separate issues. Not being able to sign anyone valuable enough to kickstart the rebuild is a serious issue, sure.

But starting marginal system guys in September of a lost season isn't really going to push us in any direction. Where this team is right now, it's a non-issue.
Reply With Quote
  #64  
Old 09-04-2019, 11:04 AM
Mohoney Mohoney is online now
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Palos Hills, IL
Posts: 12,066
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blandman View Post
These are separate issues. Not being able to sign anyone valuable enough to kickstart the rebuild is a serious issue, sure.

But starting marginal system guys in September of a lost season isn't really going to push us in any direction. Where this team is right now, it's a non-issue.
Sorry about that. I thought this was about bringing guys like Covey back next year. People have mentioned the 40-man in this thread, and I lost track of which thread I was in.
Reply With Quote
  #65  
Old 09-04-2019, 11:09 AM
Kilroy Kilroy is offline
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,596
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by voodoochile View Post
That's crap. This team needs to be taking long looks at marginal prospects right now. It doesn't mean they will be on the team in two years, but for now it costs them nothing to look at Covey and Fulmer and Palka to name a few.
I disagree that it costs them nothing. Palka is on the field in the majors, Robert is not. What are we learning about Palka that we don't already know? At the same time, what is Robert learning sitting at home?

There is no need to take a longer, harder looks at those guys. We've seen enough. Meanwhile, the push to be competitive seems to have gotten pushed back another year.
Reply With Quote
  #66  
Old 09-04-2019, 11:12 AM
kittle42 kittle42 is offline
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Lakeview
Posts: 23,231
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilroy View Post
What are we learning about Palka that we don't already know?
Whether a batter can hit under .050 in 100 ABs?
__________________
Ridiculousness across all sports:

(1) "You have no valid opinion because you never played the game."
(2) "Stats are irrelevant. This guy just doesn't know how to win."
Reply With Quote
  #67  
Old 09-04-2019, 11:18 AM
A. Cavatica A. Cavatica is offline
Chief Skeptic and 2015 Preseason Predictions Contest Winner
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 7,220
Default

We’re debating when to walk away from Covey, Fulmer, Banuelos and others.

Ultimately, as blandman says, it matters very little that those guys are in Chicago now. They are already on the 40-man and September of a lost season is a fine time for looking at marginal prospects. But Covey in particular is a lost cause. He is not marginal, he is not a prospect. I could easily name 10 pitchers from Charlotte or Birmingham who I would have given a callup to before Covey, because even if Matt Foster [substitute name here] failed miserably then at least it would have been new information.

If Covey, Fulmer and similar are still around next spring, that’s a disaster.
Reply With Quote
  #68  
Old 09-04-2019, 11:19 AM
Kilroy Kilroy is offline
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,596
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kittle42 View Post
Whether a batter can hit under .050 in 100 ABs?
I don't really wanna see him get 50 more ABs to find out...
Reply With Quote
  #69  
Old 09-04-2019, 11:38 AM
blandman blandman is online now
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Chicago
Posts: 4,024
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilroy View Post
Meanwhile, the push to be competitive seems to have gotten pushed back another year.
To be completely fair to the White Sox, nobody in their organization argued we were going to be competitive this year or next. That sentiment has come exclusively from the fanbase, and isn't universal. I've maintained that 2021 is the year we break .500, and I see no reason to think it'll be sooner.
Reply With Quote
  #70  
Old 09-04-2019, 11:49 AM
Kilroy Kilroy is offline
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,596
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blandman View Post
To be completely fair to the White Sox, nobody in their organization argued we were going to be competitive this year or next. That sentiment has come exclusively from the fanbase, and isn't universal. I've maintained that 2021 is the year we break .500, and I see no reason to think it'll be sooner.
True, I can't argue with that. But at some point you have to start steering the boat instead of just letting the current take you where it takes you.
Reply With Quote
  #71  
Old 09-04-2019, 02:06 PM
kittle42 kittle42 is offline
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Lakeview
Posts: 23,231
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by A. Cavatica View Post
We’re debating when to walk away from Covey, Fulmer, Banuelos and others.

Ultimately, as blandman says, it matters very little that those guys are in Chicago now. They are already on the 40-man and September of a lost season is a fine time for looking at marginal prospects. But Covey in particular is a lost cause. He is not marginal, he is not a prospect. I could easily name 10 pitchers from Charlotte or Birmingham who I would have given a callup to before Covey, because even if Matt Foster [substitute name here] failed miserably then at least it would have been new information.

If Covey, Fulmer and similar are still around next spring, that’s a disaster.
Correct. Again, I hate to use the unpopular "look at what other teams are doing" line of trying to actually contextualize things, but there is a *lot* of AAA fodder that teams have called up, with no intention of those guys helping to win anything now or later.
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Old 09-04-2019, 02:23 PM
TomBradley72 TomBradley72 is offline
WSI High Priest
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Antioch, IL
Posts: 7,317
Default

I don't really have an issue with Robert or Madrigal not being called up- as long as the CBA is set up the way it is- a few weeks in September and early April are not worth giving up a full year of control.

I don't understand not givng Mercedes a shot- he could be a diamond in the rough as a RH DH option who could also serve as a 3rd/emergency catcher when needed- an interesting complement to McCann/Collins for 2020- especially if you're DHing Collins- where having a 3rd catcher would be a good idea.

Palka is a complete waste of time, Mendick is a feel good story but irrelevant, and I guess Covey could still be the 12th/13th pitcher next year- but hopefully not.
__________________
TomBradley72
http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/334c0314
"When you’re going good, you’re not that ****ing good,but when you’re going bad, you’re not that bad. That’s ****ing Satchel Paige there and that’s wisdom.” - Don Cooper, April-2019
Reply With Quote
  #73  
Old 09-04-2019, 02:27 PM
voodoochile's Avatar
voodoochile voodoochile is offline
Soda Jerk/U.P.W./Lester Pooh Bear
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 58,473
Blog Entries: 9
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by A. Cavatica View Post
As I just posted, they've given him three years and he's proven to suck. He's no longer even a marginal prospect. Giving him a longer look is malpractice.
I meant September. Who is he taking starts from at present that deserves them more?
__________________

Riding shotgun on the Sox bandwagon since before there was an Internet...
Reply With Quote
  #74  
Old 09-04-2019, 02:32 PM
blandman blandman is online now
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Chicago
Posts: 4,024
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by voodoochile View Post
I meant September. Who is he taking starts from at present that deserves them more?
The answer to that is nobody. Which, unfortunately, is a much larger issue.
Reply With Quote
  #75  
Old 09-04-2019, 02:33 PM
voodoochile's Avatar
voodoochile voodoochile is offline
Soda Jerk/U.P.W./Lester Pooh Bear
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 58,473
Blog Entries: 9
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blandman View Post
The answer to that is nobody. Which, unfortunately, is a much larger issue.
Well there are three guys recovering from surgery, so that's why he's getting these starts
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Forum Jump




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:54 PM.




Design by: Michelle

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Site-specific editorial/photos Copyright ©2001 - 2008 White Sox Interactive. All rights reserved.