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Old 07-30-2019, 09:15 AM
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It's a move to get our best scout looking at major league talent, as the team is transitioning out of horde prospect mode and into let's see what we got/let's see what we can trade for mode.
I donít know enough about scouting to verify the premise, but if Hostetler truly is our best scout, then it would make sense to have him evaluating talent in other organizations in anticipation of the Sox beginning to make trades for some of them, and/or identifying tendencies/weaknesses of potential opponents.

Presumably Hostetler has some familiarity with players drafted by other organizations between 2015 and 2019, since the Sox would have scouted many of those players for potential consideration for the draft.
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Old 08-01-2019, 01:56 PM
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They don't need to trade for veterans...that approach has been a disaster for years. I can't think of one net positive trade for a veteran in the last 7 years (I'm sure there is one, there must be, but I can't think of it).
They need to trade for young pitching, likely near major league ready prospects or if in the majors, with a lot of control (not this 2 years left on the contract rabbit's foot nonsense). The sooner, the better.
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Old 08-01-2019, 02:54 PM
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Our Major league scouting has been total **** going back to when Kenny Williams was GM. Signings and trades have been blowing up in our faces regularly. Hostetler was drafting well, but he's more needed in the major league area.
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Old 08-07-2019, 04:30 PM
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Farm system #3 in AL central; other than 2 top 5 picks, no draft choices in the top 100. A couple of real clownish picks in early rounds. Don't see much compelling.
Hopefully they bring in outside help.
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Old 08-07-2019, 06:53 PM
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It's a move to get our best scout looking at major league talent, as the team is transitioning out of horde prospect mode and into let's see what we got/let's see what we can trade for mode.
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I donít know enough about scouting to verify the premise, but if Hostetler truly is our best scout, then it would make sense to have him evaluating talent in other organizations in anticipation of the Sox beginning to make trades for some of them, and/or identifying tendencies/weaknesses of potential opponents.

Presumably Hostetler has some familiarity with players drafted by other organizations between 2015 and 2019, since the Sox would have scouted many of those players for potential consideration for the draft.
This sounds like a plausible theory behind this move.
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Old 08-07-2019, 08:39 PM
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They don't need to trade for veterans...that approach has been a disaster for years. I can't think of one net positive trade for a veteran in the last 7 years (I'm sure there is one, there must be, but I can't think of it).
They need to trade for young pitching, likely near major league ready prospects or if in the majors, with a lot of control (not this 2 years left on the contract rabbit's foot nonsense). The sooner, the better.
Teams donít give those guys up in trades. Want a young cost-controlled ace? That will cost you Luis Robert.
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Old 08-07-2019, 09:04 PM
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Teams donít give those guys up in trades. Want a young cost-controlled ace? That will cost you Luis Robert.
I donít know why that isnít obvious to everyone who is closely observing.
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Old 08-08-2019, 11:17 AM
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Farm system #3 in AL central; other than 2 top 5 picks, no draft choices in the top 100. A couple of real clownish picks in early rounds. Don't see much compelling.
Hopefully they bring in outside help.
Tigers #6, Twins #8, White Sox #9. You rarely see mid/late round picks in the top 100, so your second "point" is kinda silly.

What are "clownish picks in the early rounds"? Haven't you been told enough times that picks outside of the 2nd round are 50/50 or less to even make the major leagues? The Tragg sunk cost fallacy lives on....
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Old 08-08-2019, 12:02 PM
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Tigers #6, Twins #8, White Sox #9. You rarely see mid/late round picks in the top 100, so your second "point" is kinda silly.

What are "clownish picks in the early rounds"? Haven't you been told enough times that picks outside of the 2nd round are 50/50 or less to even make the major leagues?
You mean the Sox graduated Giolito, Moncada, and Jimenez over the last couple of years and their farm system dropped to #9 in one ranking? (Baseball America ranks them at #4) The Sox are run by a bunch of clowns!


Interesting how Vaughn and Madrigal don't "count" because the Sox got them at #3 and #4 overall, but the Twins and Tigers get full credit for their best respective prospects even though both were picked at #1 overall.

Do I think the Sox could be better at their drafting? Yes. But this narrative that they're basically incompetent when it comes to drafting players is over the top.
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Old 08-08-2019, 12:23 PM
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You mean the Sox graduated Giolito, Moncada, and Jimenez over the last couple of years and their farm system dropped to #9 in one ranking? (Baseball America ranks them at #4) The Sox are run by a bunch of clowns!


Interesting how Vaughn and Madrigal don't "count" because the Sox got them at #3 and #4 overall, but the Twins and Tigers get full credit for their best respective prospects even though both were picked at #1 overall.

Do I think the Sox could be better at their drafting? Yes. But this narrative that they're basically incompetent when it comes to drafting players is over the top.
I donít think the Sox are incompetent at drafting or player development. But they arenít as good as the Dodgers and Astros.

The Dodgers and Astros 2016 picks of Gavin Lux and Forrest Whitley are looking better than Collins, and the Astros picked J.B. Bukauskas after the Sox took Burger.

Even the Twins, Braves, and Yankees are better at developing later picks than the Sox have been.

Letís hope 2020 is a better year for prospect development because 2018 and 2019 were brutal on the injury front.
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Old 08-08-2019, 02:04 PM
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I don’t think the Sox are incompetent at drafting or player development. But they aren’t as good as the Dodgers and Astros.
I don't know what they are doing in Houston and LA, but they are pretty amazing compared to all the other front offices.

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The Dodgers and Astros 2016 picks of Gavin Lux and Forrest Whitley are looking better than Collins, and the Astros picked J.B. Bukauskas after the Sox took Burger.
While I agree that Lux looks great, I'm not sold on Whitley or Bukauskas. Whitley has been both injured and busted for performance enhancers. Bukauskas has battled injuries and has been unimpressive other than 28 nice A+ innings in 2018.

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Even the Twins, Braves, and Yankees are better at developing later picks than the Sox have been.
The Braves, yes. But the Twins and Yankees? I see very few if any production from their drafts other than high picks since 2010.
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Old 08-08-2019, 02:09 PM
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Do I think the Sox could be better at their drafting? Yes. But this narrative that they're basically incompetent when it comes to drafting players is over the top.
You're talking about a poster that thinks 20-40% of second round picks should be all stars, so......
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Old 08-08-2019, 02:14 PM
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I don't know what they are doing in Houston and LA, but they are pretty amazing compared to all the other front offices.
Letís say someone in the Astros organization gets a job with another team. Can the Astros claim that their methods are intellectual property/trade secrets that cannot be shared with other teams? If I owned a team in the AL West, I would be brain-draining the Astros at every opportunity.
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Old 08-08-2019, 02:37 PM
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Letís say someone in the Astros organization gets a job with another team. Can the Astros claim that their methods are intellectual property/trade secrets that cannot be shared with other teams? If I owned a team in the AL West, I would be brain-draining the Astros at every opportunity.
What intellectual property? Unless the Astros can prove that they have created something unique that allows them to better evaluate talent then it would be a very tough case to prove. Plus I doubt MLB would look kindly on them suing their fellow owners.
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Old 08-08-2019, 02:58 PM
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What intellectual property? Unless the Astros can prove that they have created something unique that allows them to better evaluate talent then it would be a very tough case to prove. Plus I doubt MLB would look kindly on them suing their fellow owners.
That was something that I had considered. From a business standpoint, MLBís 30 teams are closer to being associates or partners than they are to being competitors.
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