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Old 06-04-2019, 01:06 PM
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So is the consensus on WSI that Madrigal is trending bust so far?
Only from the usual debbie downers we see around here
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:14 PM
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So is the consensus on WSI that Madrigal is trending bust so far?
Haha, gotta hand it to you fish. You really are consistent.

Seriously, though, Madrigal has the lowest K rate in ALL of baseball and hes starting to get the slugging up. Here's a decent article on him.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/wh...anslating-hits

Everyone seems down on him, but it I have total faith in his development and I believe I get what's going on with him. Hes feeling his way into more power on the fly while maintaining his elite eye and bat control. Yeah, it would be great if he was hitting .350 in high A, but people forget hes a 22 year old prospect who needs to round out his game to maximize his potential. Fact is, struggles are part of the process, but hes got the head and game to figure it out.
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Old 06-04-2019, 02:44 PM
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My take on Madrigal is cautiously optimistic. I know he has to develop and is coming back from injuries last year; albeit ones that can take longer than you think to fully recover from.
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Old 06-04-2019, 03:22 PM
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Count me in.

I expected to see Babe Ruth/Lou Gehrig/Ted Williams numbers from him consistently all season. He has failed. Darn you, Rick Hahn!
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Old 06-04-2019, 04:02 PM
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So is the consensus on WSI that Madrigal is trending bust so far?
Yes, just like Moncada last year.....
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Old 06-04-2019, 04:10 PM
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I wish they'd just release Jay- but I think Cordell stays over Tilson- for his defense and as the RH alternative to Jay and Garcia in the OF.
To be honest, Garcia's RH plate appearances are the only part of his game I like (He looks much better in CF lately, but like Eloy, I need to see it in person and see his routes before I can make any concrete judgments). He's slashing .362/.412/.511 when batting RH. The unsustainable BABIP of .432 sticks out like a sore thumb, but he has an acceptable level of pop in his bat, with 5 extra-base hits out of 17 total hits. Compare that to his completely unacceptable LH plate appearances where he's slashing .272/.304/.325, with 6 extra-base hits out of 41 total hits.



The conclusion that I reach is that, if anything, some of Garcia's LH plate appearances should be going to someone else, not his RH plate appearances. In fact, I don't see any reason that Jose Rondon should be getting those RH infield starts instead of Leury. If Leury is here because of his positional versatility, then Renteria should use that versatility.



The real tragedy here is that both Garcia and Yolmer are unacceptably bad LH hitters but really good RH hitters. Throw in Alonso's awfulness against RHP (he has one of the most insane reverse-platoon splits I have ever seen), and our attack against LHP is beyond awful. I would like to see Tilson lead off against RHP instead and move Leury down in the order, but I imagine that leadoff spot may go to Jon Jay instead.



I'm actually starting to believe that a lot of my dislike of Leury as a baseball player has to do with Rick Renteria being awful.
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Old 06-04-2019, 07:24 PM
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JJ Muno - anyone got a scouting report. I know he's 25 at A+ but last year at A+ he didn't hit for **** and this year he's currently ripping the cover off the ball to the tune of an .893 OPS prior to today's grand slam and triple in his first two at bats. He started last year at AA but got demoted near as I can tell and finished the season at A+ where he started this year. He plays 2B SS LF RF. Any chance he might end up a decent utility guy?
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Old 06-04-2019, 07:45 PM
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Zack Collins just got ejected - I think for arguing balls and strikes while on defense. Zevala who was DH is now the catcher and Cease will be batting 5th assuming they don't pinch hit for him. they probably will since he's at 102 pitches in the 5th.
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Old 06-04-2019, 09:38 PM
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Haha, gotta hand it to you fish. You really are consistent.

Seriously, though, Madrigal has the lowest K rate in ALL of baseball and hes starting to get the slugging up. Here's a decent article on him.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/wh...anslating-hits

Everyone seems down on him, but it I have total faith in his development and I believe I get what's going on with him. Hes feeling his way into more power on the fly while maintaining his elite eye and bat control. Yeah, it would be great if he was hitting .350 in high A, but people forget hes a 22 year old prospect who needs to round out his game to maximize his potential. Fact is, struggles are part of the process, but hes got the head and game to figure it out.
Good article. Encouraging to read about the adjustments he's making. He's hitting over .300 in his last 10 games and his OPS on the season is a respectable (for his profile) .725. He's got more work to do, but he's hardly in bust territory.
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Old 06-04-2019, 09:45 PM
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Kannapolis won 9-0 tonight. Bryce Bush returned to the lineup for the first time since May 17 and went 1 for 4 with a HR. Everyone who started tonight's game got a hit. Stiever's line: 7.0 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 7 K.

On the other hand, Birmingham losing 9-1 in the 9th. Robert 3 for 4 with a double. Gonzalez, Sheets, and Rutherford each with a hit. Rivera 2-3 with a double. Kubat got lit up tonight after 6 good starts at AA.
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Old 06-05-2019, 08:14 AM
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Robert is now batting .352. He's clearly made the adjustment to AA and now needs another challenge -- to see more experienced starters and more breaking balls in AAA. He'll also be hitting the MLB ball, so let's see him move up to Charlotte. I'd like to see Robert in Chicago by August.
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Old 06-05-2019, 08:19 AM
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Robert is now batting .352. He's clearly made the adjustment to AA and now needs another challenge -- to see more experienced starters and more breaking balls in AAA. He'll also be hitting the MLB ball, so let's see him move up to Charlotte. I'd like to see Robert in Chicago by August.
They use different baseballs in A and AA?
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Old 06-05-2019, 08:22 AM
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They use different baseballs in A and AA?
Between AA and AAA. AAA balls are actual MLB balls, AA ones aren't. No clue why the heck they do this, as it obviously skews results.
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Old 06-05-2019, 08:22 AM
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They use different baseballs in A and AA?
Here's an article from Baseball America from April 3 of this year ----

No matter whether a player is in the Gulf Coast League or the National League, they will be playing with a Rawlings baseball. Its the official baseball of both the major and minors leagues.

But those two balls are very different.

The major league ball has smaller seams and better quality leather. The minor league ball has larger seams and by accounts of numerous players, does not carry as far when hit. The tolerances for minor league balls are greater and the core components specifications are a little different. The two balls are actually made in two very different manufacturing facilities as well. The traditional minor league balls being built in China while the MLB balls are built in a Rawlings-owned and operated factory in Costa Rica.

But this year that will change. This season Triple-A baseball will use MLB balls. Major League Baseball made the request last summer to make the switch to bring uniformity to the highest level of the minors. The ball will carry the stamp of the Pacific Coast League (with the signature of PCL president Branch Rickey) or the International League (with the signature of IL president Randy Mobley) and it will carry Minor League Baseballs logo. But other than that different stamp, it will be identical to the MLB ball.

It makes sense. The guys closest to the big leagues, (the major leagues) want them using the same ball, said Tim Brunswick, MiLB vice president of business and baseball operations.

That switch leads to an obvious question. Why is baseball not using the same ball throughout professional baseball so that every pro player is using the same equipment?

The simplest reason is cost. The Triple-A teams and MLB will share the increased cost of the switchthe MLB balls cost almost twice as much as the minor league balls running close to $100 a dozen compared to $50 a dozen for the minor league balls at wholesale (it costs nearly $200 if a fan wanted to purchase a dozen MLB balls, while a dozen MiLB balls costs $140 at retail).

The typical minor league team uses between 7,000 and 10,000 baseballs a season, so even just switching Triple-A baseball to MLB balls will increase the costs for baseball as a whole by roughly $1 million.

Cost is the overriding reason that the MLB ball isnt being used throughout the minors and likely wont anytime soon. Switching all of the minors would cost around $35,000 per full-season club and $17,500 per short-season club. So moving just full season teams to MLB balls could cost an estimated $4.2 million. Moving all minor league teams to MLB balls would cost more than $6 million in additional ball costs a year.

But there is another deterrent to switch all of the minor leagues to the MLB ball. The MLB ball is designed to the best baseball Rawlings can make. Rawlings reserves its best leather and other components for the MLB balls, which one of the reasons it costs nearly twice as much. Switching all the minors to the better ball would require Rawlings produce an additional 1.5 million MLB-caliber balls. Rawlings would need a significant amount of lead time to get to the point where they would be capable of producing anywhere close to that many.

Well eventually get there. But getting enough sewers, and we have to have the hide supply, Rawlings chief marketing officer Mike Thompson said. We have to figure out every piece of labor component. Its a lot of baseballs. Well start with Triple-A. I can see, now this is me, not Minor League or Major League Baseball (saying this), but I can see Double-A following. Im not sure they ever will want to run it (across all minor league levels).

So its possible before long that the major league ball will move down to Double-A as well, but its unlikely well see an MLB-caliber ball in the lower levels of the minors anytime soon.

The change will likely result in significantly increased offensive numbers in Triple-A. For years, pitchers and hitters have believed that the MLB baseball is more lively than the MiLB ball. In fact, rehabbing MLB pitchers have sometimes opted to use MiLB balls, even though they have the option of using MLB balls, because they feel like it gives them additional margin for error. The western half of the Pacific Coast League is already considered quite friendly to hitters, so the addition of a livelier baseball to a league that already had four teams post team ERAs above 5.00 last season should be interesting to watch.
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Old 06-05-2019, 08:38 AM
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Robert is now batting .352. He's clearly made the adjustment to AA and now needs another challenge -- to see more experienced starters and more breaking balls in AAA. He'll also be hitting the MLB ball, so let's see him move up to Charlotte. I'd like to see Robert in Chicago by August.
I'd skip AAA altogether. AA is a better test for him, and AAA will just have him produce goofy numbers.
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