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Old 04-15-2017, 04:32 PM
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Default We, um, we should have traded Q shouldn't we?

Seriously. Why the hold up?
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Old 04-15-2017, 04:46 PM
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The good news is Q is under control for a few more years, so plenty of time for him to get back on track. But yeah, the decision to hold this offseason is looking pretty bad right now.

The Sox wouldn't have won today anyway with how Santana was dealing. Still, it's discouraging to see this from the guy who's supposed to be your top trade piece.
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Old 04-15-2017, 04:56 PM
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Seriously. Why the hold up?
Probably were getting lowballed on offers. I wouldn't worry just yet its only been 3 starts for Q and his track record shows he will be a very good pitcher.
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Old 04-15-2017, 05:10 PM
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No rush, it takes time to right the ship. As long as Quintana doesnt get hurt its all ok.
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Old 04-15-2017, 05:20 PM
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I suspect the trade talk has started to make an impact. The guy is human...how could it not?

Plus as per usual, they can't score runs for him.

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Old 04-15-2017, 05:29 PM
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Of course they should have. His value had only one way to move.
But that's not news.
Maybe teams will ignore recent performance, like Hahn does when he trades for veterans.
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Old 04-15-2017, 05:32 PM
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If the Sox weren't getting proper value for an ace pitcher, then they did the right thing. It's April, I really wouldn't start sweating it.
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Old 04-15-2017, 07:01 PM
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Seriously. Why the hold up?
Maybe he has no trade value.

Seriously, he hasn't been pitching well this season. It could be because he mentally can't handle being the ace or de facto ace of the staff. Especially on opening day, when Verlander didn't totally shut down the Sox and the rain out giving him even more time to think about it, that's a real possibility. He was a better pitcher when Chris Sale was the ace.

Another possibility is that he isn't dealing well with talk of being traded. He allegedly enjoys pitching for the Sox and signed a long-term deal with the Sox.

One thing that sometimes comes up in discussing tough-luck pitchers, pitchers who pitch well enough to win but don't win many games, is the question of being mentally capable of winning, although fans who only look at stats in a vacuum dismiss such concepts as ridiculous.

Still, it's possible that teams had a reason not to offer the boatload of prospects for Quintana that the team and fans would expect based upon his statistical success. His second start perhaps was an example of a pitchers' duel where he struggled to keep the Sox in the game rather than a tough-luck game where he pitched brilliantly and didn't get enough run support. Some teams might be seriously questioning if Quintana would pitch well enough for them as he has historically for the Sox, well enough to give up prospects they actually care about.

If you're concerned that he doesn't have the mental ability to win or pitch well for you, his contract ceases to be a selling point. Holland would be cheaper and in some ways could be more attractive in the short term because he would be so much cheaper and appears more motivated to win while requiring less of a commitment.

I have always believed the Sox wouldn't get enough in trade for Quintana to match his current and future to the team. In any case, his value isn't increasing. He hasn't been a very good pitcher this season, and his problems don't appear to be physical. If they were, he wouldn't have stayed on the mound after pitching the Sox out of the game before their cleanup hitter got his first chance to hit.
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Old 04-15-2017, 07:15 PM
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It seems like every time Davidson hits a home run he gets benched the following day. He's one of the few people who is hitting on this team and it seems like he can't crack the starting lineup every day.
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Old 04-15-2017, 07:26 PM
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It seems like every time Davidson hits a home run he gets benched the following day. He's one of the few people who is hitting on this team and it seems like he can't crack the starting lineup every day.
He's in a platoon, it has nothing to do with whether or not he hit a home run the previous day.
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Old 04-15-2017, 07:50 PM
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The problem with holding off on trading Q, and I said it at the time, is that the market for starting pitchers was not going to get any better for sellers than it was when we traded Sale. Now, we have to wait for Quintana to pull his ERA together, and hope that other teams don't decide to put their starters on the market, giving trade partners other options. This offseason, there was a staggering lack of good starters available both in free agency and available via trade, which drove Quintana's value higher and higher. That's going to change more and more the longer we wait. That's the big issue with holding on to Q.
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Old 04-15-2017, 08:10 PM
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The problem with holding off on trading Q, and I said it at the time, is that the market for starting pitchers was not going to get any better for sellers than it was when we traded Sale. Now, we have to wait for Quintana to pull his ERA together, and hope that other teams don't decide to put their starters on the market, giving trade partners other options. This offseason, there was a staggering lack of good starters available both in free agency and available via trade, which drove Quintana's value higher and higher. That's going to change more and more the longer we wait. That's the big issue with holding on to Q.

No one was offering a good package for him. Come July, when a team is outside the playoff race, with a GM who has his job on the line, and his rotation is hurting, will pay more.

It happens every year, someone gets desperate at the deadline. There was ZERO reason to rush trading Q because of his contract. It isn't like we had these insane offers thrown at us. Add to the fact we actually did have him traded, and it fell apart at the 25th hour when the owners were brought in (and not by JR), there was no reason whatsoever, for Hahn to make a move that wasn't right.

After 2 bad starts, that hasn't changed.
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Old 04-22-2017, 12:10 AM
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The problem with holding off on trading Q, and I said it at the time, is that the market for starting pitchers was not going to get any better for sellers than it was when we traded Sale. Now, we have to wait for Quintana to pull his ERA together, and hope that other teams don't decide to put their starters on the market, giving trade partners other options. This offseason, there was a staggering lack of good starters available both in free agency and available via trade, which drove Quintana's value higher and higher. That's going to change more and more the longer we wait. That's the big issue with holding on to Q.
This isn't meathead sucktitude, it's a good thoughtful post. Also my props to TDog and DeadMoney for some interesting if not popular insights. As for Q's current trade value since he's still with the Sox I think you've nailed it.
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Old 04-16-2017, 07:40 AM
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He's in a platoon, it has nothing to do with whether or not he hit a home run the previous day.
All I know is Davidson is hitting. Not too many other people on the team are hitting. Davidson should be in the lineup every day as along as he is hitting.
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Old 04-16-2017, 10:32 AM
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Every pitcher has rough outings. Quintana has been remarkably consistent over the years he's been with the Sox.

I'm not panicking about him. He has been a hard luck pitcher for years. It's time the team picked him up for a change.
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