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Old 07-12-2019, 07:41 AM
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I was listening to a podcast the other night and was thinking about how the White Sox really messed up when building the new stadium when they didn't go with the Camden Yards model. I don't think the Sox are ever going to have a state of the art facility, unless...

What do you think of a new stadium, downtown on the lake front like Soldier Field that houses BOTH the Sox and Cubs. Why not mesh both parks together, build one of the most state of the art facilities, with a retractable roof and call it home to both teams?

You can have the ivy on the OF walls and the exploding scoreboard?

On the very rare times when both the Sox and Cubs are in town at the same time, they always play the Cubs games during the day and the Sox at night, you could still do that.

Yes, who wants to share a stadium with the crappy Cub fans... but if this is the only way that the Sox could get a stadium that would be the best in the league, this may be the only way?

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Old 07-12-2019, 07:55 AM
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Wrigley alone makes the Cubs a mountain of cash and the owners/city have invested a ton of money in that surrounded neighborhood. This is never, ever going to happen.
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Old 07-12-2019, 08:34 AM
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I think a shared stadium with a retractable roof, near downtown and either the lake or the river, with ample public transit access, is a great idea that would make Chicago the pre-eminent global baseball destination. I think it would be great for both teams and great for the city. The stadium could also host college baseball tournaments and concerts.

I think the Cubs are too blinded by their current profits to ever agree to it.
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Old 07-12-2019, 09:20 AM
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The Cubs would lose money by leaving Wrigley. They're a business. This makes no sense for them.
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Old 07-12-2019, 09:31 AM
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IF the Sox were to make a move, it has to be out of Chicago and to the suburbs.
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Old 07-12-2019, 09:43 AM
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So, let me see if I get this right. The Cubs are more than halfway through spending $500,000,000.00 on Wrigley and the surrounding area and you want them to leave that for a shared park that will need not one, but two home team clubhouses (during the season, the players leave stuff there while the team is on the road)? Home team clubhouses tend to be very, very, very nice when compared to the visitors' clubhouse, so that would be a fiscal and architectural challenge.

I'm thinking the Bears will win the World Series before this happens.
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Old 07-12-2019, 09:44 AM
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The Cubs would lose money by leaving Wrigley. They're a business. This makes no sense for them.
Correct. And the Sox have a pretty sweet lease at GRF. Unlikely the city or state would help finance a new ballpark. Without public funding, the Sox have no incentive to leave their current ballpark.
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Old 07-12-2019, 11:00 AM
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Correct. And the Sox have a pretty sweet lease at GRF. Unlikely the city or state would help finance a new ballpark. Without public funding, the Sox have no incentive to leave their current ballpark.
That lease is expiring relatively soon though.

The Cubs will not move. If the Sox were to move, they should move across the street to the site of Old Comiskey and the new stadium should look more like Old Comiskey with arched windows. I think moving to the suburbs would be a horrible idea and I don't think there's the kind of land necessary for a ballpark in the South Loop anymore.
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Old 07-12-2019, 11:37 AM
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So, let me see if I get this right. The Cubs are more than halfway through spending $500,000,000.00 on Wrigley and the surrounding area and you want them to leave that for a shared park that will need not one, but two home team clubhouses (during the season, the players leave stuff there while the team is on the road)? Home team clubhouses tend to be very, very, very nice when compared to the visitors' clubhouse, so that would be a fiscal and architectural challenge.

I'm thinking the Bears will win the World Series before this happens.
Let's just build a diamond in front of the Sears Tower. Just for the hell of it.

Or make the Tower part of the outfield wall of this new stadium. It'll be the left field wall. Traffic will be redirected to a tunnel under the park.
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Old 07-12-2019, 11:47 AM
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IF the Sox were to make a move, it has to be out of Chicago and to the suburbs.
NO.
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Old 07-12-2019, 01:38 PM
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The SOX should have built north of I55 in the SW loop when there was space available back when they built Comiskey II. Instead, JR chose the Royals-like suburban ballpark design, originally intended for Addison and placed it across the street facing the wrong direction.

Coulda, shoulda, woulda. It would be nice to have a nice retro-looking ballpark nestled into the SW loop area with the Sears Tower (I still call it that) and other loop skyscrapers looming over the outfield walls. At least the SOX would have had a better chance of fighting for the heart of the city against the Cubs instead of playing sort of half-way between the city and the suburbs.
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I'm no groundskeeper, but I'd think 162 games a year would play havoc on the surface. They use the time the team is out of town to do a lot of maintenance and repair on the field.
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Old 07-13-2019, 04:01 AM
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I'm no groundskeeper, but I'd think 162 games a year would play havoc on the surface. They use the time the team is out of town to do a lot of maintenance and repair on the field.
Yep, you need the time to maintain and repair the playing surface. The most probable way of getting a new stadium is through ownership self financing.
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Old 07-13-2019, 09:18 AM
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At least the SOX would have had a better chance of fighting for the heart of the city against the Cubs instead of playing sort of half-way between the city and the suburbs.
Not arguing with your opinions generally, but 35th Street is not even sort of half-way to the suburbs. It's near dead center of the city geographically north-south, because the City extends further south of Madison than it does north. (Also, Roosevelt Road, though 1200 South, is only a mile, not a mile and a half, south of Madison due to shorter blocks.) It's one of the reasons that the new Central Police HQ was built on 35th and Michigan when the old HQ at 11th and State was torn down. Both the HQ and the ballpark are much closer to the lake than to the City's western border, but that makes them closer to downtown, not farther.

Even if ones uses Madison as the "center," no one considers 3600 North to be halfway to the suburbs, even though it is close in fact to being half-way to the northern border of Chicago. Lots of people refer to the South Loop (where I live) as "downtown" even beyond Roosevelt nowadays -- I'd say it's moved to at least 18th, maybe even Cermak with all these high-rises being built north of there. And with the increasing development in Bridgeport and Bronzeville, that trend will continue. The ball park is exactly one stop further on the Red and Green Lines than the Chinatown and McCormick Place stops respectively, both of which the general public views as being downtown or in or near the city's center.
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Old 07-14-2019, 04:27 PM
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I'm no groundskeeper, but I'd think 162 games a year would play havoc on the surface. They use the time the team is out of town to do a lot of maintenance and repair on the field.
That and the fact that on game day, the Grounds Crew has to report to work at a very early hour for a very long (12+ hours many times) day. Asking them to do that 162 times a year instead of 81 times would mean paying them Mike Trout money each or hiring an entire second crew of full timers.
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