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Old 12-02-2017, 05:56 AM
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I dont see the need to spend 15mm on a catcher for the next two years.
We have a lot of payroll flexibility and he’s a veteran to work with our pitchers. If Collins turns out not to be the guy, we have someone to help hold down the position and could do well. He could also be a very valuable chip.

I have watched this guy from Single A ball. There was just something about him (and he played for the local team).
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Old 12-02-2017, 06:04 AM
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As I have previously stated, I would have used the money for reliefers or higher quality reliefers.
It's not an either/or situation. This is the first move out of the gate. Plenty of time and money remains to sign relievers.
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Old 12-02-2017, 07:57 AM
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I like the signing, as long as the keep the OBP machine, Narvaez.
They have financial room to make moves like this; brings some stability up the middle.
Plus, for those interested in July flip candidates, he's a good one.
But it's time to start slowly building this team up.

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Old 12-02-2017, 08:39 AM
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I hope you are correct but I got a sneaky suspicion they have a budget to spend only X amount of money and it may be lower that what you expect. This is early in a rebuild, they know they arent going to contend for a couple years, they have what profit they want to make in their mind. They have a good idea what their revenues will be. No reason to spend without a return on investment.
I agree that relievers were/are a higher priority and that this signing surprises me. I also don't think the team plans on spending a lot of money. I doubt this signing changes the overall plan which is for these couple years to be rebuild years. I do not expect them to sign Moustakas (as much as I think that makes sense long term) or Cain or any other big name player. That leaves plenty of $1-3 million deals on the table with which to sign middling relief pitchers to fill the gap from now until 2020.

I just don't see how money is an issue here even if they set a low salary cap.
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:29 AM
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An excellent acquisition. This fully complements the pitching prospects we have picked up over the past couple of years. This will pay off in huge developmental dividends starting in Spring Training, 2018.
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Old 12-02-2017, 01:25 PM
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As I have previously stated, I would have used the money for reliefers or higher quality reliefers.
I would rather have Castillo than, say, Hector Rondon. Those are the relievers that will be in that price range on a two-year deal.
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Old 12-02-2017, 03:43 PM
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As I have previously stated, I would have used the money for reliefers or higher quality reliefers.
I don't see any point to the Sox signing high quality relievers. The market for such players in the offseason is always inflated. The Sox aren't going to win anything in 2018, they'd be better off letting some of the farm hands try and win a spot.
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Old 12-02-2017, 05:52 PM
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I don't see any point to the Sox signing high quality relievers. The market for such players in the offseason is always inflated. The Sox aren't going to win anything in 2018, they'd be better off letting some of the farm hands try and win a spot.
Agreed....We should sign a few "project" relievers for Coop to tinker with. If he succeeds, we flip them again before the deadline. No need to sign ANYONE for significant dollars or significant years until the youngins' grow up a bit more.
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Old 12-02-2017, 07:44 PM
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I don't see any point to the Sox signing high quality relievers. The market for such players in the offseason is always inflated. The Sox aren't going to win anything in 2018, they'd be better off letting some of the farm hands try and win a spot.
Like at the catching position?
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:43 PM
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Like at the catching position?
The difference of course is that the catcher plays a role in developing those young pitchers (as well as the rest of the team on the field). Renteria has worked with Castillo before. If he thinks that Castillo will make for a good field lieutenant for him then it makes sense. Like I said, I was surprised at the signing but it makes sense of Castillo is capable of playing that sort of leadership role.
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Old 12-02-2017, 11:38 PM
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I don't think there is a single move the Sox can make where some fans will just have to take exception to.

This is a solid baseball move for a team looking for bridge pieces on a rebuild.

Not sure where the issue is here.
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Old 12-03-2017, 12:29 AM
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Not sure where the issue is here.
Perhaps people are still reeling from recent veteran catcher acquisitions like Dioner Navarro, Alex Avila, and Geovany Soto?

I can’t explain the angst, either. This move is perfectly fine, even if it is “buying high” on Castillo’s career year in 2017.
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Old 12-03-2017, 04:34 AM
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Angst? For the love of Pete.

Please... It's not angst it is just a question. Maybe Renteria sees something in Castillo that he didn't in Smith and Narvaez. If that's the case then so be it.

I trust Renteria to teach these guys the right way to play and ultimately manage a World Series winner for the White Sox.

BTW:

The White Sox were in the top three in stolen bases allowed, the bottom third of the league in caught stealing, the top five in the league in pitches thrown.

If you want to help the young pitchers change the pitching coach.

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Old 12-03-2017, 10:52 AM
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If you want to help the young pitchers change the pitching coach.
Other than the performances of Giolito, Fulmer, Lopez, Swarzak and Kahnle- I can see your point.
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Old 12-03-2017, 11:29 AM
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Other than the performances of Giolito, Fulmer, Lopez, Swarzak and Kahnle- I can see your point.
Sale, Buehrle, Quintana, Danks (pre-injury), Floyd, etc.

Cooper has proven he is a fine pitching coach for molding young pitching minds/arms.
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