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Things aren't unsubstantiated bull**** when you're unwilling to acknowledge factors and their potential outcomes. Once again...this is a prediction thread. No one is talking about certainties. Only what might happen. Disagreeing with me is one thing. Indicating something is personally wrong with me because you don't want to hear it is so ****ing petty. If I were any other poster, it would be a violation of the board rules. |
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1. Robin believes he's unfit for the job of White Sox manager. 2. Most MLB managers are fired before their third year. Here's the problem with your reasons: Robin never said he believes he's not qualified for the position of Sox manager. I've re-posted what he said about his contract below: Quote:
As far as your second statement is concerned, I took the liberty of combing through the current list of MLB managers. Of the thirty managers currently working in baseball, eighteen are in at least their third season with their current club. Another manager, John Farrell, in in his first season with Boston after choosing to take the Red Sox job because he's always dreamed of managing in Boston. I've include the list in this post, so that others may see it, as well. Quote:
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1. Robin Ventura believes he's unfit to manage the Chicago White Sox. 2. Most MLB mangers are fired before their third year. Ventura never said that, as has been pointed out before, and I've addressed your second point. I don't believe something is wrong with you because I don't want to hear your arguments. I don't want to hear your arguments because your arguments are wrong. If you can present an argument that makes more sense, I'll be happy to listen, but you've yet to do so. |
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You BELIEVE Ventura's statements mean one thing. I believe they, along with the fact that he initially didn't want the job either, mean another. Yeah, I might be wrong. But it's based on something. Something tangible. Something not completely a stretch. And certainly something that doesn't warrant an individual saying that there is something wrong with me personally for thinking. The average tenure of an MLB coach is less than 4 years. The odds of coaching less than three is more than 70%. Going through the current coaches doesn't make a lot of sense. It's about median, not mean. Mean tells you nothing. In truth, Robin's in the year that determines most coaches' fates. And he's coming off a season where his team fell apart in September. Yeah...no one expected him to get that far. But it still happened. That's a viable reason people lose their jobs. Sure, you can argue the organization won't see it that way. But to argue that there's no way they will? What are YOU basing that on? Because history is FULL of instances that managers get the early can. I like how you left that out the last time. At least it seems you're conceding it, even if you won't admit it. |
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"Hope...may be indulged in by those who have abundant resources...but its nature is to be extravagant, and those who go so far as to stake their all upon the venture see it in its true colors only when they are ruined." -- Thucydides |
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bookofodds.com has stats on pretty much anything. here's an article about coaches that shows some of the same stuff http://www.bookofodds.com/Daily-Life...on-the-Way-Out. the numbers are a bit off the last time I looked, but still strongly support me. But really...as a baseball fan, this is more of a common knowledge sort of thing. So it REALLY feels like you're trolling me. Countering my claim that he COULD be fired (as a prediction) IS saying he can't be fired. Don't give me that BS. I get everything you're saying, you just aren't saying anything substantial, mixed in with personal jabs. |
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Are you sure you wouldn't like to tell me what's wrong with me or that I've got a personal agenda or liken me to Jay Mariotti? No? Okay, maybe next time. |
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Edit: The ESPN Chicago article published after Ventura was hired expands on the idea. Ventura was working as a special advisor to Buddy Bell before he was named manager. It sounds like his comment was in reference to the enormous change in his responsibilities, as being field manager would entail a greater committment than his advisory role, hence, his comment about "having the freedom to coach and come back home." I'm sorry, munch. I just don't see in his comments what you're seeing. We'll have to agree to disagree. Quote:
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As I said, we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I don't see in his comments what you're seeing. |
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Yeah, he's under contract till 2018 @ $5M per year, but Mike Scioscia is my pick. Calling a team meeting only 7 games into the season is a clear sign that he knows that he is on a very short lease. Panic in LA. Moreno wants to win, and has shown that he isn't afraid to eat a bad contract (see Vernon Wells). DiPoto didn't hire him and wants him gone. Check the Angels forum - he has little support there. Even the presence of the Astros isn't enough to save him; the Astros are ahead of the Angels in the standings right now. He won't be the Angels manager when they come to Chicago on May 10th. |
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