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I know it's no use crying over spilt milk, but it is frustrating to watch. Let's hope the Sox get it together and start winning.
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There are a few bright spots (Chris Sale is definitely one), but the team is generally mediocre and there doesn't seem to be much in the way of minor league talent to look forward to in the near future. |
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The problem with the Dunn signing has been his abysmal performance since joining the team. It has nothing to do with whether "people complained" about the signing.
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Oh good, I thought this stupid argument couldn't have been any less interesting except now I see we're linking to things like "Noozebox?" (SOUNDS TOTALLY LEGIT), so there's always another nadir, I guess.
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And I know it's going back a ways at this point, but Albert Belle was a HUGE deal when he was signed. This franchise absolutely has a habit of half-assing things. But spending on payroll really hasn't been the issue. |
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Yeah, but does that have to do with lack of interest in the Sox, or lack of interest in WSI? The board guidelines are fairly stringent, and it seems like members have drifted away from the site over time as a result.
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To me, 2000 is an example of why it doesn't pay to forecast doom and gloom (or greatness) more than 1 or 2 seasons out. Too much can happen. Thomas had one of his best years in 2000, Cal frickin' Eldred had a first half worthy of a Cy Young, Wunch-Howry-Foulke were automatic in the pen, Baldwin had his best year, and the team won the division pretty easily. There's no reason it can't happen again. However, I would much rather not have to rely on being so lucky. Sale and Peavy are better than any starting pitcher they had in the late '90's/early '00's.
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But I haven't felt this much apathy in the fanbase and the city towards the Sox since 1999. Thankfully we don't have nearly the attendance woes we had back then--20,000 was considered a great crowd--but the malaise and general disinterest is palpable and comparable. |
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My point is the Sox don't behave like a big market team. We're cheap and now we're suffering the consequences. |
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I'm sure that as well as some other things from what I've been told, have played a part but I still feel the biggest reason for the decline is the mediocrity over the past four / five seasons. Lip |
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You neglected to note the teams the Sox outspent last year: the Cubs, Mets and Dodgers; the NL Central champion Reds; the NL East champion Nationals; the AL West champion A's; and wild card qualifiers Orioles and Braves. Yeah, I wish the Sox would spend more. Of course. But spending WISELY is a much higher priority. |
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I wonder if winning the WS after the initial spike, has actually hurt the White Sox long term. Fans aren't impressed with being in first place every day for a few months, 85-90 win seasons are considered huge failures. There is no doubt the Sox should have taken advantage of all the advantages they have had over their AL Central counterparts over the years, and they did not.
People rip Boyer, but really, he is in a position right now where he cannot succeed. There are no promotions that are going to dramatically improve the gate. There is no ad campaign that will do it either. It's easy to point a finger at him and his crew, but there is no one who is pointing a finger that actually has an answer as to something that makes sense and will work. The team has to be a powerhouse. That's not on the marketing department. |
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I'm not saying I had a blast watching the Sox during the '99 season - it was definitely a bad year, but those 3 guys did form a solid core of young talent that gave me hope for better days to come (and I thought so even before 2000). Other than Chris Sale, I don't see anyone even close to the caliber of those guys this year. Peavy and Rios are good, but they're both in their 30s and aren't exactly the future of this team. I'm not disputing that the late 90s were a bleak time - it was fresh off the white flag trade and the '94 strike was still fresh in peoples memories. It was also a pre-renovation "New Comiskey" that looked much worse than the park does today. People whine about the neighbor around the Cell today, but things were much worse 15 years ago. Overall, the Sox were much, much less relevant in Chicago in 1999 than they are today. ....but all that being said, i'd still say the team on the field this year is less interesting to me than the 1999 team. |
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Besides the mediocre start by the team, I think there is a general lack of interest in baseball right now in Chicago that is hurting both teams. (Yes, even the mighty Cubs have taken a hit on attendance and ratings) Both Chicago teams are doing poorly on the field and are struggling to grab any sort of buzz or headlines with the Blackhawks making their run to the cup and the Bulls having a high profile playoff run. Bears practices get more coverage lately than baseball. The biggest baseball story of 2013 in Chicago has been the political battle over Wrigley renovations. Just five years ago in 2008, baseball was king in this town. Both teams were in first place and the buzz for both clubs was at the highest I could remember. I guess everything goes in cycles and is often tied to success on the field.
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So, I'd say the WS win is still good for the Sox. I don't think it's the raised expectations that is the problem with this franchise. It's that this year is 5 years since the last Sox playoff appearance and not much reason to believe that things will change any time soon. |
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