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Old 04-21-2018, 09:01 PM
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The guy looked like he had really turned a corner this spring. Sharp command of his arsenal; mid 90s velo was back. Then the bell rang for the season and he completely regressed. I still think there's at least a #2/3 starter in there but I dont know if the guy getting killed each start at be big league level is correct for his development at this point. What do you think Sox braintrust should do with him? Let him figure it out in Chicago or Charlotte?
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Old 04-21-2018, 09:30 PM
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The guy looked like he had really turned a corner this spring. Sharp command of his arsenal; mid 90s velo was back. Then the bell rang for the season and he completely regressed. I still think there's at least a #2/3 starter in there but I dont know if the guy getting killed each start at be big league level is correct for his development at this point. What do you think Sox braintrust should do with him? Let him figure it out in Chicago or Charlotte?
Giolito, Lopez, and Fulmer should all get a full seasonís worth of starts up here. Pitching their way out of slumps is something that they need to learn.

I know itís not the answer that many fans want to hear, but this is what rebuilding looks like, folks. This team is better off losing early in the season so expectations can be recalibrated to where they should have been in the first place.
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Old 04-21-2018, 10:06 PM
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Giolito, Lopez, and Fulmer should all get a full season’s worth of starts up here. Pitching their way out of slumps is something that they need to learn.

I know it’s not the answer that many fans want to hear, but this is what rebuilding looks like, folks. This team is better off losing early in the season so expectations can be recalibrated to where they should have been in the first place.
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It really blows though. Reminds me of 1988-1989.
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Old 04-21-2018, 10:24 PM
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It really blows though. Reminds me of 1988-1989.
You obviously are to young to remember 1968-1970.
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Old 04-21-2018, 11:23 PM
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You obviously are to young to remember 1968-1970.
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The difference is the 68-70 Sox had players that were likable and many had good careers, Wood, Melton, Horlen, Peters , John, Walt Williams, Carlos May, Looie, Berry etc. This team doesnt have that.
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Old 04-22-2018, 12:15 AM
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But they were still a bad team that lost 295 games.

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Old 04-21-2018, 11:13 PM
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Giolito, Lopez, and Fulmer should all get a full seasonís worth of starts up here. Pitching their way out of slumps is something that they need to learn.

I know itís not the answer that many fans want to hear, but this is what rebuilding looks like, folks.
I'm not sure that this is really what rebuilding really looks like, especially when you have the assets to trade that the Sox did. But it is what we have to tell ourselves to keep hope up.
We don't know if these guys are in slumps or whether they simply don't have it. Giolito has shown some skill; but Fulmer never showed much ability, even in the minors.
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Old 04-23-2018, 01:18 PM
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I'm not sure that this is really what rebuilding really looks like, especially when you have the assets to trade that the Sox did. But it is what we have to tell ourselves to keep hope up.
We don't know if these guys are in slumps or whether they simply don't have it. Giolito has shown some skill; but Fulmer never showed much ability, even in the minors.
The Sox had assets to trade to acquire top prospects. They did not trade for proven, young MLB talent. So yes, this is what rebuilding looks like when the team has been stripped of all serviceable MLB talent sans a couple regulars and young guys are being given a chance to prove themselves.
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Old 04-23-2018, 03:23 PM
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I'm not sure that this is really what rebuilding really looks like, especially when you have the assets to trade that the Sox did. But it is what we have to tell ourselves to keep hope up.
We don't know if these guys are in slumps or whether they simply don't have it. Giolito has shown some skill; but Fulmer never showed much ability, even in the minors.
For Adam Eaton (who is good, but not exactly a superstar), the Sox got:
- Lopez
- Giolito
- Dane Dunning (currently looking great in the minors)

Even with Giolito's recent struggles, that still looks like a potential steal of a trade for the Sox. Do people really think the Nats (or any other team) were going to hand over THREE future Clayton Kershaws for Eaton?

So yeah, this is what a rebuild looks like - not everyone is going to pan out and not everyone who succeeds is going to do so without any struggles.
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Old 04-23-2018, 03:39 PM
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I am not using this as an excuse, but I am willing to throw Gio's entire last start out. Its well documented he and Farquhar are close, and I probably would not perform my job well while also thinking one of my good friends is fighting for his life at that moment.

I hope to see him improve, but that was the point of this year, letting these guys work out all the bugs.
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Old 04-23-2018, 04:25 PM
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Bottom line: it is way, way too early to write Giolito off. Way too early. He'll be fine.
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Old 04-23-2018, 04:28 PM
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I am not using this as an excuse, but I am willing to throw Gio's entire last start out. Its well documented he and Farquhar are close, and I probably would not perform my job well while also thinking one of my good friends is fighting for his life at that moment.

I hope to see him improve, but that was the point of this year, letting these guys work out all the bugs.
I had no idea and yeah, I can see how having a good friend collapse in the dugout and then be listed in critical condition before undergoing life threatening/saving brain surgery the same day you are expected to pitch might throw off your concentration and control.
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Old 04-22-2018, 09:26 AM
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Giolito, Lopez, and Fulmer should all get a full seasonís worth of starts up here. Pitching their way out of slumps is something that they need to learn.

I know itís not the answer that many fans want to hear, but this is what rebuilding looks like, folks. This team is better off losing early in the season so expectations can be recalibrated to where they should have been in the first place.
My main concern is that we have 3 pieces of the rebuild that have nagging "flaws" that were known when we acquired/signed them, but are still major issues- Giolito (diminished velocity), Collins (hitch in the swing), Fulmer (inconsistent delivery/command), and none of them have really shown in their minor league results that they've overcome the issues. Giolito had a great September, but his 2017 results at AAA were not stellar, Fulmer has a career ERA of 4.96 in the minors, Collins has a career batting average of .219 in the minors- I still believe Giolito can be a legit major league pitcher- but Collins and Fulmer have "bust" written all over them.
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Old 04-22-2018, 09:46 AM
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My main concern is that we have 3 pieces of the rebuild that have nagging "flaws" that were known when we acquired/signed them, but are still major issues- Giolito (diminished velocity), Collins (hitch in the swing), Fulmer (inconsistent delivery/command), and none of them have really shown in their minor league results that they've overcome the issues. Giolito had a great September, but his 2017 results at AAA were not stellar, Fulmer has a career ERA of 4.96 in the minors, Collins has a career batting average of .219 in the minors- I still believe Giolito can be a legit major league pitcher- but Collins and Fulmer have "bust" written all over them.
I would say that the Giolito has issues that need to be worked out ASAP.

That's on Giolito, Cooper, Duncan etc...

I believe Fulmer pitches up here the whole season sink or swim (innings).

Collins? If he does not improve I'd ask questions about scouting, evaluation, coaching, and everything else all the way down the line.
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Old 04-22-2018, 10:58 AM
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I felt bad for Giolitto. He totally lost it last night. He had no idea where the ball was going. After that ridiculously bad curveball, Castillo didn't call it again. I was just hoping that he didn't hurt any batters.

I believe he'll regain his control. He needs his curveball to be successful. It was disconcerting to me that he was throwing 89 mph fastballs, however. It's disappointing because it appeared he has turned the corner and was a guy you didn't have to worry about anymore.
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