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Old 01-01-2020, 10:54 AM
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Default Baseball America Ranks Sox #2 in Drafting for the 2010s.

Apparently Baseball America has lowered its standards and is now resorting to fake news. It ranks the Sox #2 for drafting in the just completed decade. The article is only available via paid subscription, but it is discussed in the comments here: https://www.soxmachine.com/2019/12/3...-of-the-2010s/

The top 5:
1. Houston
2. SOX
3. Miami
4. Toronto
5. Mets

The bottom 5:
30. Cincinnati
29. Milwaukee
28. Yankees
27. KC
26. Philadelphia
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Old 01-01-2020, 11:25 AM
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A lot of this is driven by the WAR accumulated by Sale, and to lesser extent other early decade Sox draftees like Semien, Rodon, and Anderson.
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Old 01-01-2020, 01:53 PM
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Someone needs to send BA a link to WSI so they can get realistic evaluations.....
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A lot of this is driven by the WAR accumulated by Sale, and to lesser extent other early decade Sox draftees like Semien, Rodon, and Anderson.
Should Semien really count if another team developed him into an all star? Simply going by WAR is really ignoring a lot of context.
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Old 01-01-2020, 05:08 PM
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A lot of this is driven by the WAR accumulated by Sale, and to lesser extent other early decade Sox draftees like Semien, Rodon, and Anderson.
The Sox had good drafts in four of the five years from 2010-2014, which would contribute most of the WAR for any team. (Players drafted in 2015 have their best years ahead of them. Few players drafted in 2017 or later have even reached the majors.)

If the survey looked at 2005-2009 instead of 2015-2019, the Sox would lose a ton of ground. Hector Santiago (8.2 WAR) was their best signed pick from that half-decade. Astros had JD Martinez at 23.9 and Keuchel at 20.3. Dodgers had Kershaw at 68.0. Red Sox had Rizzo at 32.7, Ellsbury at 31.1, Reddick at 24.9 and many more.
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Old 01-01-2020, 07:49 PM
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Should Semien really count if another team developed him into an all star? Simply going by WAR is really ignoring a lot of context.
Point taken. Heís a draft success for the Sox, and a trade/development success for the Athletics. Maybe itís drawing a distinction without much of a difference.
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Old 01-01-2020, 08:46 PM
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Point taken. Heís a draft success for the Sox, and a trade/development success for the Athletics. Maybe itís drawing a distinction without much of a difference.
For whatever reason, that is the distinction BA makes in the article.
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The Sox identified the talent in the draft. That's what a review of draft picks will provide you.
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The Sox identified the talent in the draft. That's what a review of draft picks will provide you.
In that case, they should count the players for the first teams to pick them, even if they didn't sign.
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That's true to an extent; however, there is some nuance to that practice. Most of these big talents are drafted even with the promise they'd never sign, so it's more of a procedural move than a true identification of talent.
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Is the ranking just based on total WAR accumulated by draft picks? Or is it weighted in some way to account for draft position?
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Point taken. Heís a draft success for the Sox, and a trade/development success for the Athletics. Maybe itís drawing a distinction without much of a difference.
A draft pick can also be a success if he's used in a trade. Once that happens, his value to the drafting team is fixed. He could blow up several years later, like Semien, or blow away like Poreda. Career WAR seems like a good way to measure draft success and keep it separate from what happens later.
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