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Old 06-14-2017, 02:03 PM
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Can someone give me a scouting report on Guerrero? He is a bit old for being in Birmingham, so is there some concern there?



Really high on him, and have been for a while. He is a "pitch to contact" though, so his control better be great.
Guerrero just turned 23 in May, so he's not too old for AA (in fact, he's statistically young for AA). He had some shoulder issues early in his pro career and spent some time at Rookie level after being drafted out of high school. As he built up innings, he performed well in A/A+. He probably could have began last year in W-S, but was pushed to Birmingham, so he's actually repeating AA this year. I don't know an awful lot about him as a pitcher, other than track record indicating good control. Not a superstar type of profile, but somebody who maybe fills out your rotation if he continues to develop?
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:27 AM
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Starters for 6/15

Charlotte: Carson Fulmer (6- 3, 4.26)
Birmingham: Jordan Stephens (0- 0, 0.00)
Winston-Salem: Brannon Easterling (4- 3, 4.27)
Kannapolis: Yosmer Solorzano (1- 5, 5.74)
Kannapolis (2): TBD
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Old 06-15-2017, 11:48 AM
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Can someone give me a scouting report on Guerrero? He is a bit old for being in Birmingham, so is there some concern there?
Guerrero was #9 on our prospect list in 2015. #16 in 2016. As we all know our prospect list was fairly barren beyond the top couple players but he was somewhat highly regarded. He had a bad year last year at AA (as earlier stated he was perhaps pushed there too quickly), not horrible but way too many walks and not enough K's to make up for it. With the addition of many more prospects through the draft and trades he somewhat surprisingly fell completely off the prospect list this year.

Here is the MLB prospect report from 2015:

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Jordan Guerrero | Rank: 9 (Preseason: 28)
Team: Birmingham Barons (AA) ETA: 2017
Position: LHP Age: 23 DOB: 05/31/1994
Bats: L Throws: L Height: 6' 3" Weight: 195 lb.
Drafted: 2012, 15th (471) - CWS

Scouting grades: Fastball: 55 | Curveball: 45 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 50 | Overall: 45

Guerrero's velocity wavered when he was a high school senior in 2012, so he dropped to the 15th round of the Draft. Brought along slowly after signing for $100,000, he didn't reach full-season ball until 2014, when he teamed in a piggyback-starter system with fellow lefty Andrew Wheeler. While he doesn't throw as hard as Wheeler, Guerrero rates as a better prospect because he has a better chance to start.

Guerrero usually sits around 90 mph with his fastball, which tops out at 93 and features some cutting action. His changeup gives him a solid second pitch and he shows feel for spinning a curveball, though it lacks consistency.

He can't blow the ball by hitters, but Guerrero succeeds by throwing strikes and working down in the zone. He has added 25 pounds since turning pro and still has more projection remaining in his 6-foot-3 frame.
I think he is a potential bullpen lefty down the road.
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Old 06-15-2017, 11:53 AM
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And here is the report from 2016:

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Jordan Guerrero | Rank: 16 (Preseason: 6)
Team: Birmingham Barons (AA) ETA: 2017
Position: LHP Age: 23 DOB: 05/31/1994
Bats: L Throws: L Height: 6' 3" Weight: 195 lb.
Drafted: 2012, 15th (471) - CWS
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Scouting grades: Fastball: 55 | Curveball: 45 | Changeup: 60 | Control: 55 | Overall: 45
Guerrero's fastball attracted scouts when it climbed into the low 90s during his high school senior season in 2012, but his velocity dropped into the mid-80s as the Draft approached and he fell all the way to the 15th round. He repeated Rookie ball and battled shoulder issues in his first two years as a pro, then started to emerge in 2014 before breaking out as organization's best lefty pitching prospect in 2015. He led the system in wins (13) and strikeouts (148 in 149 innings) while conquering two Class A leagues.

Guerrero's fastball has bounced back, now sitting in the low 90s. His heater plays up because of its cutting action and the effectiveness of his plus fading changeup, which he throws with the same delivery. He shows some feel for spinning the ball, though his curve is often fringy at best.

He helps his cause by filling the strike zone and keeping his pitches down. However, his control and command haven't been as sharp in 2016 as they were when he averaged 2.3 walks and 0.6 homers per nine innings in his first four pro seasons.
A slightly above average fastball and above average change-up combo with control could make for a very effective bullpen lefty though probably not enough for a starter in my opinion.
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:46 PM
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Jordan Stephens is pitching well for Birmingham after coming off the DL in June to start his season. He finally gave up 2 runs today in his third start of the year, and those both coming in the 7th inning, with a reliever allowing one of the inherited runs to score.

In his first two starts this year, Stephens pitched 6 innings each time, allowing no runs. In those 12 innings, he allowed a total of 6 hits, 3BB, and 12 Ks.

Today he pitched 6.1 innings and gave up 3 hits, with 3 walks and 4 Ks.

Does anyone have a scouting report on him? He was a 5th round pick in 2015 out of Rice.
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Old 06-16-2017, 09:13 AM
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Jordan Stephens is pitching well for Birmingham after coming off the DL in June to start his season. He finally gave up 2 runs today in his third start of the year, and those both coming in the 7th inning, with a reliever allowing one of the inherited runs to score.

In his first two starts this year, Stephens pitched 6 innings each time, allowing no runs. In those 12 innings, he allowed a total of 6 hits, 3BB, and 12 Ks.

Today he pitched 6.1 innings and gave up 3 hits, with 3 walks and 4 Ks.

Does anyone have a scouting report on him? He was a 5th round pick in 2015 out of Rice.
Stephens was drafted in the 5th round in 2015. He ended the year ranked #23 on the Sox MLB prospect list. Ended 2016 listed #17 and is currently #14.

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Jordan Stephens | Rank: 14 (Preseason: 13)
Team: Birmingham Barons (AA) ETA: 2018
Position: RHP Age: 24 DOB: 09/12/1992
Bats: R Throws: R Height: 6' 1" Weight: 190 lb.
Drafted: 2015, 5th (142) - CWS
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Scouting grades: Fastball: 55 | Curveball: 60 | Slider: 50 | Changeup: 45 | Control: 50 | Overall: 45
Projected as a possible third-round pick in 2014, Stephens blew out his elbow three starts into his junior season at Rice and had Tommy John surgery instead. He rejoined the Owls rotation midway through the following spring and pitched his way into the fifth round in 2015, signing for a below-slot $300,000. His first full pro season went well, as he made 27 healthy starts and led the Class A Advanced Carolina League in strikeouts (155) and strikeout rate (9.9 per nine innings).

Stephens relies heavily on his lone plus pitch, an upper-70s curveball with good depth. His fastball operates in the low 90s and is effective because he hides it and commands it well. He has trouble against left-handers because his changeup is fringy, and he'll also mix in a decent slider.

Though he had a successful 2016 as a starter, Stephens may be better suited for the bullpen in the long run. Although he held up and maintained his stuff last year, his smaller stature and his medical history are concerns. His fastball has sat at 93-96 mph in shorter stints and his competitiveness would work well in a late-inning role.
He has really only put in one full year, last year at Winston-Salem. He pitched well but wasn't spectacularly dominating.

Fangraphs has his full stats:

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...031&position=P

FutureSox has a short write-up:

http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/jordan-stephens/

That links to a longer write-up:

http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox...rdan-stephens/

He is what they consider a small pitcher and has already had Tommy John surgery in collage. As noted, he started this year on the DL (I don't know why) and has only been back a few games but has pitched well in his three starts at AA so far.

My take is that he looks like he might be a pitcher for us but the question will be his health. Perhaps he ends up as a strong bullpen arm or back of the rotation. Given the strength of pitching ahead of him in the prospect charts perhaps he gets traded to fill in other gaps in the roster.
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Old 06-16-2017, 12:37 PM
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Starters for 6/16

Charlotte: Lucas Giolito (2- 6, 4.86)
Birmingham: Michael Kopech (4- 3, 2.90)
Winston-Salem: Dane Dunning (2- 2, 4.02)
Kannapolis: TBD
DSL: TBD

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Old 06-16-2017, 02:29 PM
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So I've been planning a trip very early August out to the Charlotte area to catch all 3 teams out there (Kannapolis, WS, and Charlotte).

Is there any chance Robert, Burger, Sheets, and/or even Gonzalez might be sniffing Kannapolis by then?
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:46 PM
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So I've been planning a trip very early August out to the Charlotte area to catch all 3 teams out there (Kannapolis, WS, and Charlotte).

Is there any chance Robert, Burger, Sheets, and/or even Gonzalez might be sniffing Kannapolis by then?
Burger yes, the other guys are possibilities. Last year Collins, Call, Nolan and Remillard all made it past Rookie Ball.
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Old 06-16-2017, 04:08 PM
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Burger yes, the other guys are possibilities. Last year Collins, Call, Nolan and Remillard all made it past Rookie Ball.
I wouldn't bet on Robert, though. He may stay in DR for tax purposed until next season.
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Old 06-16-2017, 07:40 PM
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So I've been planning a trip very early August out to the Charlotte area to catch all 3 teams out there (Kannapolis, WS, and Charlotte).

Is there any chance Robert, Burger, Sheets, and/or even Gonzalez might be sniffing Kannapolis by then?
Burger and Sheets maybe even at Winston-Salem. Not sure about Gonzalez. I too, expect Robert to spend the year in the D.R. and come stateside next year. I don't know how the tax part works but he hasn't played in a long time so a tune-up for a teenager in the D.R. before hitting A-ball makes sense even if he is heads and tails above the competition.
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Old 06-17-2017, 12:18 PM
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Starters for 6/17

Charlotte: Carlos Rodon (0- 1, 9.82)
Birmingham: Matt Cooper (1- 5, 3.61)
Winston-Salem: Dane Dunning (2- 2, 4.02)
Winston-Salem (2): Luis Martinez (0- 2, 12.27)
Kannapolis: Bernardo Flores (7- 4, 3.13)
DSL: TBD
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Old 06-17-2017, 01:13 PM
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https://www.southsidesox.com/minors/...e-june-16-2017

Collins is really taking a hit on his stock. Hoping this isn't a dud.

Anyone have a good way to keep track of luis Robert?


edit: http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp...tting/2017/ALL

Nevermind, got it. Off to a cold start.
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Old 06-17-2017, 05:49 PM
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https://www.southsidesox.com/minors/...e-june-16-2017

Collins is really taking a hit on his stock. Hoping this isn't a dud.

Anyone have a good way to keep track of luis Robert?


edit: http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp...tting/2017/ALL

Nevermind, got it. Off to a cold start.
Robert went 2 for 3 today with a double, 2 walks, and an RBI.
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Old 06-17-2017, 07:58 PM
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https://www.southsidesox.com/minors/...e-june-16-2017

Collins is really taking a hit on his stock. Hoping this isn't a dud.

Anyone have a good way to keep track of luis Robert?


edit: http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp...tting/2017/ALL

Nevermind, got it. Off to a cold start.
Collins is learning how to be a major league catcher. That probably is taking up most of his time and energy. I wouldn't worry about his hitting yet. Give the kid time to learn his trade.
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