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Old 11-23-2017, 09:25 PM
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So by this same theory, is it possible Kenny is still running the show right now
Yes it's "possible". However in speaking and listening to many that know the current state of the White Sox organization I would say that it is also very "unlikely".
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Old 11-24-2017, 03:42 AM
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Yes it's "possible". However in speaking and listening to many that know the current state of the White Sox organization I would say that it is also very "unlikely".
Well said.
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Old 11-24-2017, 07:51 AM
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So by this same theory, is it possible Kenny is still running the show right now and he be the one given credit for the massive overhaul of the farm system? Or will success / failure be the only indicator?
It very well could be, I have no doubt that if/when the Sox are successful again, Kenny will claim credit. How much credit Kenny deserves for any of this is hard to say. We do know that while he was GM the farm system lay dormant and ignored for years though.
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Old 11-24-2017, 08:21 AM
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So by this same theory, is it possible Kenny is still running the show right now and he be the one given credit for the massive overhaul of the farm system? Or will success / failure be the only indicator?
That's where my conspiracy theory falls apart
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Old 11-24-2017, 08:29 AM
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We're back to arguing whether and to what extent Kenny Williams controls moves again? When no one here knows a goddamn thing about it?

Sigh, go watch some football or basketball or hockey for a while.
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Old 11-24-2017, 09:22 AM
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We're back to arguing whether and to what extent Kenny Williams controls moves again? When no one here knows a goddamn thing about it?

Sigh, go watch some football or basketball or hockey for a while.
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Old 11-24-2017, 09:24 AM
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So by this same theory, is it possible Kenny is still running the show right now and he be the one given credit for the massive overhaul of the farm system? Or will success / failure be the only indicator?
I suspect that the final decision on the direction of the org (whether to build up or try to compete) is determined mainly by KW and JR.
I think Hahn has been in charge of personnel moves since winter of 2012, with probably KW veto power. He's done very well tearing down (not only now, but in winter of 2013); but his build-up (winter of 2012; winter of 2014-June 2016) has been questionable and very KW-like (but is it that surprising - he's worked for KW his entire career). And it's the build-up process that is in front of us.
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Old 11-24-2017, 09:29 AM
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We're back to arguing whether and to what extent Kenny Williams controls moves again? When no one here knows a goddamn thing about it?

Yup, youll never see me give credit or fault to an individual regarding personnel moves considering its a three headed monster. Ill just use the word organization.
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Old 11-24-2017, 11:51 AM
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We do know that while he was GM the farm system lay dormant and ignored for years though.
Much of that though falls on JR to be fair and he's the ultimate "buck stops here" guy. JR himself has said he does not like to pay for untested potential and he didn't like to deal with certain agents. Both of those areas badly hurt the Sox minor league operation.
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Old 11-24-2017, 12:39 PM
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Much of that though falls on JR to be fair and he's the ultimate "buck stops here" guy. JR himself has said he does not like to pay for untested potential and he didn't like to deal with certain agents. Both of those areas badly hurt the Sox minor league operation.
If reports are to be believed, Reinsdorf was debating whether or not he should have ruined the Quintana trade.
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Old 11-24-2017, 02:40 PM
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Yup, youll never see me give credit or fault to an individual regarding personnel moves considering its a three headed monster. Ill just use the word organization.
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Old 11-24-2017, 07:04 PM
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Much of that though falls on JR to be fair and he's the ultimate "buck stops here" guy. JR himself has said he does not like to pay for untested potential and he didn't like to deal with certain agents. Both of those areas badly hurt the Sox minor league operation.
Very, very true. Until the current slotting system went into place, the Sox were without question the lowest spending team on the draft. Not KW's fault in the least.
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Old 11-25-2017, 04:15 AM
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Very, very true. Until the current slotting system went into place, the Sox were without question the lowest spending team on the draft. Not KW's fault in the least.
If you happen to be a high profile executive in an the organization that is under performing and you feel that you're not being given the tools to do your job why stay at that organization?
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Old 11-25-2017, 09:08 AM
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If you happen to be a high profile executive in an the organization that is under performing and you feel that you're not being given the tools to do your job why stay at that organization?
A comfortable salary and work life? I know nothing about anyone in question here, just answering generally.
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Old 11-25-2017, 09:23 AM
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If you happen to be a high profile executive in an the organization that is under performing and you feel that you're not being given the tools to do your job why stay at that organization?
Sometimes ones a high profile executive only in ones mind not in others.
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